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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Sure thing! Dunno why you'd want to, but it's fine by me.
    So the concept of marriage to you is about as deep as registering for this discussion board. LOL

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Psh, "irreplacable". If perpetuality was a requirement of marriage divorce would not be legal - your relationship with your significant other can be terminated like any other contract.
    And at the time it is terminated, the "irreplacable" status is terminated. But while the marriage contract is in effect, your marriage partner is designated as the one person who is irreplacable to you in your life. This has been part of the language used in marriage law since Perez v Sharp.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    C'mon on y'all! That was funny right there. Give a brutha some love!
    That was pretty good. Queens over Kings. Or perhaps five Queens, as it were.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    To the Open-Minded Folks: The far-right partisans in these same-sex marriage threads are never going to get it.

    The Prop 8 federal court case, Perry v Arnold Schwarzenegger, starts on Monday. The judge is going to allow it to be streamed on youtube. Olson and Boise believe the case will go before the Supreme Court within 2 years. Proposition 8 violates the 14th Amendment and should be struck down. How that will effect laws in other states--we'll have to wait and see.

    I believe it was Scalia who stated that gay marriage rights best chance would be with a strong equal protection case.

    What makes this case unique is that there are 18,000 legally married same-sex couples in California. The Unmarried same-sex couples are now barred from getting a marriage license because of a ballot measure. The amended California constitution is now in violation of the 14th Amendment--equal protection under the law.

    Although a majority of Californians voted in favor of Prop 8, the will of the majority can not trample the rights of the minority.

    Ultimately, same-sex marriage and gay rights will not be decided by the people or the legislature (New Jersey) as they both bend to subjective prejudices and fears. SCOTUS, right of center, strict constructionists will bend the country to the will of its constitution and right-wing partisans won't be able to call it judicial activism.
    I noticed some of the partisans skipped over this...

    They're so busy celebrating New Jersey as some kind of moral victory--they forgot about the little bi-partisan sleeper cell moving quietly through the Federal Court system.

    Equality is coming... But we can't depend on legislators or the voting majority to get it right. Legislators are too scared of their constituents to do the right thing, and the voting majority is just plain scared of something they don't fully understand...

    It's sex--we can't shake our Puritan roots; at least not publicly.

    Airport restrooms, okay.

    But in the voting booth when the church group (and God) is watching? No way, Jose.

    Got some news for y'all, God is watching. It's time to do the right thing.

    It occurred to me that some of the most profound artists, musicians, painters, writers were gay. If God chose them to speak to us, inspire us the way great art does... Then who are we to judge them to be less-than deserving of happiness?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And at the time it is terminated, the "irreplacable" status is terminated. But while the marriage contract is in effect, your marriage partner is designated as the one person who is irreplacable to you in your life. This has been part of the language used in marriage law since Perez v Sharp.
    If children aren't involved, I think "irreplacable" is a stretch at best.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So the concept of marriage to you is about as deep as registering for this discussion board. LOL
    Pretty much - just another property contract.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If children aren't involved, I think "irreplacable" is a stretch at best.
    Legally, it is spot on. The marriage contract treats the married couple as one unit in the eyes of the law. So much so that the 5th amendment is expanded to the couple not being required to incriminate one another. Taxation, mutual inheritance, automatic power of attorney...

    In the eyes of the law, when you marry someone, you name them to be your one irreplacable person. How you feel about your spouse is a personal matter but the law sees your marriage as you naming them irreplacable.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Read the OP again. Its about changing the law.
    Again, I was responding to what Mr.V said. Don't like it then perhaps you should be trying to remind the person that brought it up instead of the person that responded to it.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    A way a person is? What does that mean?
    What Warspite said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Orientation =/= behaviour. One can be a straight male and have sex with men, or be a gay male and have sex with women.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JustineCredible View Post
    It's ironic though, since SCOTUS is SUPPOSED to be an activist court. They're job is to interpret the Constitution and make sure laws follow its jurisprudence.



    I think only a liberal would consider this SCOTUS and activist court.....The 9th circuit, yeah......
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