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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    American is the one who made it. Completely without support, as well. (And, he's wrong - Google it )
    If you want to go toe for toe comparing liberal activist decisions to conservative activist decisions just say so and I'll be happy to bury you.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You missed my point entirely. In NJ, with gay civil unions, gay couples have the same benefits, I believe as straight married couples. My point is, that if GM gets defeated in NJ, the only loss is the loss of a word.

    Paraphrasing: 'separate but equal is not equal'.

    Altho, it certainly does sound like NJ does do better than most states. The most profound personal story I read expanding on this was Andrew Sullivan telling the story of his long time partner coming to family functions for years, and being introduced as a friend or a partner or whatever. But then one year, after MA allowed gay marriage, his mother introduced his husband as her 'son in law'. He said the sense of inclusion, of family, of joining the circle of tradition was profound.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Because apparently I need to repeat myself...
    You can say that law all you want but California proved it and the vote of the people did away with the law made by judges.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    If you want to go toe for toe comparing liberal activist decisions to conservative activist decisions just say so and I'll be happy to bury you.
    I don't. However, American apparently does. And he claimed to have never heard of conservative judicial activism. That's a knowledge gap that's easily rectified. And, since he's the one making the argument, onus is on him. As you said, "If you are going to make an argument, make it."

    You just addressed your remarks to the wrong poster. American is the one who needs to make the argument.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I don't. However, American apparently does. And he claimed to have never heard of conservative judicial activism. That's a knowledge gap that's easily rectified. And, since he's the one making the argument, onus is on him.
    That isn't what he said.

    How many times have you seen judges making conservative laws from the bench? Hmmm?
    He never said it never happens. He questioned how often it happens.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How many times have you seen judges making conservative laws from the bench? Hmmm?
    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    That isn't what he said.



    He never said it never happens. He questioned how often it happens.


    He should answer the question. I inferred that he'd never heard of any instances. I'd be interested to hear American's argument. He should actually you know, make it.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    He should answer the question. I inferred that he'd never heard of any instances. I'd be interested to hear American's argument. He should actually you know, make it.
    He didn't infer that at all. You inferred that.

    As I said, just say the word and I will be happy to compare how often the two sides use the court system to get what they want.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Truthfully, to me this is irrelevant. NJ already has civil unions which affords gay couples rights for adoptions, benefits, and other things that married couples have. Though my overall position is that the term "marriage" should be used only for religious purposes and all governmental unions should be "civil unions"... gay or straight, the way that NJ handles it currently, is fine by me. I'm not sure why this is a big deal.
    Most people have no problem with civil unions with equal rights but are strongly against allowing gays to marriage and every place it has went to the vote by the people it has been strongly defeated...........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How many times have you seen judges making conservative laws from the bench? Hmmm?
    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Answer what question?

    The one he posited.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    The one he posited.
    He didn't infer that at all. You inferred that.

    As I said, just say the word and I will be happy to compare how often the two sides use the court system to get what they want.
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