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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    SCOTUS, right of center, strict constructionists will bend the country to the will of its constitution and right-wing partisans won't be able to call it judicial activism.
    Of course they will. Right wing partisans call every Supreme Court decision they don't agree with "judicial activism".

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Marriage, at its heart, is an exchange of property. Not some mystical declaration of love or what not, merely a social construct of a similar nature to buying a pair of sunglasses. In the old days, the property being exchanged was in fact the women - hence dowrys, the "giving away" part of the ceremony, etc.
    LOL. Uh, no.

    Marriage at its heart is a religious commitment steeped in the tradition of starting a family.

    To the shallow and anti-religious, it is a contract to be nullified as soon as a chance to **** someone comes along and you get caught.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Truthfully, to me this is irrelevant. NJ already has civil unions which affords gay couples rights for adoptions, benefits, and other things that married couples have. Though my overall position is that the term "marriage" should be used only for religious purposes and all governmental unions should be "civil unions"... gay or straight, the way that NJ handles it currently, is fine by me. I'm not sure why this is a big deal.

    Because in NJ Civil Unions DO NOT afford the exact same rights as Civil "Marriages" do. They've admitted this publicly!

    "Gay couples say civil unions don't work largely because employees at hospitals, insurance companies and elsewhere don't understand the concept. Gay rights groups said Thursday they would use statements made by senators to support their arguments in their lawsuit."
    [html]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/08/AR2010010800361.html[/html]
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    LOL. Uh, no.

    Marriage at its heart is a religious commitment steeped in the tradition of starting a family.

    To the shallow and anti-religious, it is a contract to be nullified as soon as a chance to **** someone comes along and you get caught.
    Uh, no.

    This is where you are totally wrong.
    The idea of marriage dates back WAY before popular religions deemed it as such. It was originally a transfer of wealth...or property..which the "wife" was part of.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Of course they will. Right wing partisans call every Supreme Court decision they don't agree with "judicial activism".
    It's ironic though, since SCOTUS is SUPPOSED to be an activist court. They're job is to interpret the Constitution and make sure laws follow its jurisprudence.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JustineCredible View Post
    Uh, no.

    This is where you are totally wrong.
    The idea of marriage dates back WAY before popular religions deemed it as such. It was originally a transfer of wealth...or property..which the "wife" was part of.
    That's never been the tradition of marriage in this country, which was based in Christianity from the get-go. I'm not talking about the days in ancient worlds when people traded off their oldest daughter for two pigs and a lamb.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The reports that claim the opposite that I have seen have major methodological flaws and are not credible. Folks who claim they have changed are a different matter and a different discussion. We would first have to discuss the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

    Again just like global warming there are two sides to the issue and both are adament they are right........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Again, dreadfully wrong. The err in the Virginia ruling is obviously steeped in racism and is wrong in every way. The New Jersey ruling is simply to maintain the definition of what marriage is and always has been, and it is based in simple first-grade common sense.
    Really? Because when my son was a first grader, he could see that anti-same-sex marriage laws were wrong!

    Racism and Homophobia...both are harmful to equality. How you can separate the two and say they aren't similar is ignorant.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What you do not note is that the number who find homosexuality is declining steadily, and the number who find is morally acceptable are rising even faster. Source: Americans Evenly Divided on Morality of Homosexuality

    2001: 40 % acceptable, 53 % morally wrong
    2008: 48 % for both.

    I suspect that this trend will continue and possibly accelerate. SCOTUS might decide it before the numbers change enough to make it so it passes voter initiatives, but it is not needed. It will within the next few years start passing based on voter initiatives.
    What I don't understand is if America is evenly divided on the subject why do you lose every vote by the people when put on the ballot? Maybe the people that took your poll are a little bias?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JustineCredible View Post
    Really? Because when my son was a first grader, he could see that anti-same-sex marriage laws were wrong!

    Racism and Homophobia...both are harmful to equality. How you can separate the two and say they aren't similar is ignorant.
    No, what is ignorant is to equate two men getting married to a man and woman who want to have a family. No one defeated Rome; it imploded from within for exactly the kind of twisted reasonings that alows a 60-year-old man to marry an 18-year-old Cambodian kid and move in next door.

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