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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    As a citizen of the Peoples Republic of NJ, I'm glad to see that the state legislature is focusing on the real issues. Who gives a flying crap. This state's budget is out of control, they've yet to discuss Jessica's Law, they just closed down a perfectly good prison(to sell off the land to developers which fell through), are making employees take 10 unpaid "furlough" days to save money(even though they sometimes have to hire overtime to cover the person furloughed for that day...no I'm not kidding), and a new governor is coming in in a week and this is all they have to worry about? Typical of this state.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    FOXNews.com - New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Civil Unions Yes, changing "marriage" no. Makes sense to me.
    as i've said before, a marriage outside a church is nothing more than a civil union anyway. i really don't understand what the problem is. a WORD?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Separate but equal referred to race not sexual behavior.
    No "Separate but equal" referred to a policy that tried to claim "Equality" by treating a class of people "Equally" but saying you have to have your own facilities.

    That concept is in no way limited to "race/ethnicity" any more than any other part of the Constitution is limited to individuals based on race, gender, etc.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No "Separate but equal" referred to a policy that tried to claim "Equality" by treating a class of people "Equally" but saying you have to have your own facilities.
    Wrong again. It was not a class of people. It was a race of people.

    That concept is in no way limited to "race/ethnicity" any more than any other part of the Constitution is limited to individuals based on race, gender, etc.
    You really need to read it.

    Separate but Equal: Segregation in the Public Schools

    It came from Brown vs the Board of Education.


    You are dishonestly trying to expand its meaning to include something it never did. This is exactly the kind of thing I've been talking about over and over again. Pro gay marriage advocates trying to compare marriage to race.

    Its dishonest and cannot be proven.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    As a citizen of the Peoples Republic of NJ, I'm glad to see that the state legislature is focusing on the real issues. Who gives a flying crap. This state's budget is out of control, they've yet to discuss Jessica's Law, they just closed down a perfectly good prison(to sell off the land to developers which fell through), are making employees take 10 unpaid "furlough" days to save money(even though they sometimes have to hire overtime to cover the person furloughed for that day...no I'm not kidding), and a new governor is coming in in a week and this is all they have to worry about? Typical of this state.
    Civil rights is not a laughing matter. Bet you wouldn't be saying what you just said if it was *your* right to equal treatment being threatened.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Separate but equal referred to race not sexual behavior.
    The maxim holds true regardless of the parties involved, separation and equality are mutually exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Wrong again. It was not a class of people. It was a race of people.
    There is no difference in social terms - Women, Blacks, Gays, etc.; all have been and in many cases still are groups who suffer fom inequality, and the same arguments for equality apply to all of them.

    You really need to read it.

    Separate but Equal: Segregation in the Public Schools

    It came from Brown vs the Board of Education.
    Duh?

    You are dishonestly trying to expand its meaning to include something it never did. This is exactly the kind of thing I've been talking about over and over again. Pro gay marriage advocates trying to compare marriage to race.

    Its dishonest and cannot be proven.
    Want another slice of reality? Loving v. Virginia.

    "Marriage" is merely a superficial issue, the issue is equality.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    There is no difference in social terms - Women, Blacks, Gays, etc.; all have been and in many cases still are groups who suffer fom inequality, and the same arguments for equality apply to all of them.
    Inequality compared to the rest of the world?


    Duh?



    Want another slice of reality? Loving v. Virginia.

    "Marriage" is merely a superficial issue, the issue is equality.
    You left out the part about how the chuches decided there was no theological reason against mixed marriages.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Civil rights is not a laughing matter. Bet you wouldn't be saying what you just said if it was *your* right to equal treatment being threatened.
    How is my rights any more than theirs? I can't marry a guy either. But guess what? I can't shack up with a woman and get the same "domestic partnership" rights that they do. Which is something I don't understand. They get all the rights and privileges a married couple gets without the red tape of a marriage license yet a heterosexual non married couple doesn't and you're complaining about gay rights? Give me a break. Like other minorities, they don't want equal rights, they want special rights. But here's a clue: they can get married. They can have the $20K dream wedding, even get the Pope himself to perform the ceremony if he is so inclined. Nothing is stopping them. No, they want the piece of paper. Hell, if I got the same privileges they got without the legal hassle when my first marriage went to pot, I'd have never gotten married in the first place. So, in a sense I don't have the same rights as they do. They can adopt as a couple, put each other on their insurance, live together for a million years if they want but the whole issue is over a little piece of paper. Please.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Inequality compared to the rest of the world?
    Inequality of a different degree is still inequality.

    You left out the part about how the chuches decided there was theological reason against mixed marriages.
    I don't care what the churches have to say in regards to the issue, nor should you. Legalism is not a spiritual matter, just as spiritual matters are not legal matters.

    I don't want to force churches to marry same sex couples; quite the contrary, I'd rather enforce complete laicity on the issue and abolish marriage as a legal institution.
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