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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The difference between civil unions and marriages is that the federal government does not recognize civil unions of gays.
    They don't recognize marriages of gays.... I don't see the difference?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    They don't recognize marriages of gays.... I don't see the difference?
    That is what gays want. Being recognized in one state does nothing if the rest of the country, including the federal government does not recognize thier rights.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Truthfully, to me this is irrelevant. NJ already has civil unions which affords gay couples rights for adoptions, benefits, and other things that married couples have. Though my overall position is that the term "marriage" should be used only for religious purposes and all governmental unions should be "civil unions"... gay or straight, the way that NJ handles it currently, is fine by me. I'm not sure why this is a big deal.
    Because MrVicchio and other gay-marriage haters like feeling like they have "won" something.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Let's see, gay marriage fails, in every state.

    "Civil Unions" however, work out pretty well. All the benefits, without pissing off the public by altering the definition of Marriage.

    So.... if this was really about rights, they would push Civil Unions across all 50 states and go from there.

    But, we all know that all isn't the end game here, and that's why it's a big issue.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Let's see, gay marriage fails, in every state.

    "Civil Unions" however, work out pretty well. All the benefits, without pissing off the public by altering the definition of Marriage.

    So.... if this was really about rights, they would push Civil Unions across all 50 states and go from there.

    But, we all know that all isn't the end game here, and that's why it's a big issue.
    Oh wah. Like definitions haven't been changed before?

    Let's take a look at the word "faggot". It use to mean a bundle of sticks. Now it is an epitaph towards homosexuals. The word "gay" went from meaning "happy" to another epitaph towards homosexuals and then changed again to just meaning homosexuals (this last change only happened because homosexuals took the word for themselves and turned it around on homophobic's).

    Why is it OK for people to change the definition of words towards a group into a derogatory term and yet it is wrong to expand the definition of marriage to include EVERYONE and not just one particular group?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh wah. Like definitions haven't been changed before?

    Let's take a look at the word "faggot". It use to mean a bundle of sticks. Now it is an epitaph towards homosexuals. The word "gay" went from meaning "happy" to another epitaph towards homosexuals and then changed again to just meaning homosexuals (this last change only happened because homosexuals took the word for themselves and turned it around on homophobic's).

    Why is it OK for people to change the definition of words towards a group into a derogatory term and yet it is wrong to expand the definition of marriage to include EVERYONE and not just one particular group?

    They don't want us to change the definition of the word "Everyone" or Justice for "ALL".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    Odd, different maybe, abnormal nope..........I think that a guy with 20 ear ring piercing is abnormal, you probably don't.........we can all have different opinions............

    Actually, that's pretty ****in' weird. 20 piercings in a man's ear goes beyond abnormal in my simple world. But I'm kind of a live and let live kinda guy. As long as my kids know better, and they do, I look at it in amusment. Much like a freak show. My neighbor's little girl just got married to this very nice young man. But he is totally mutilating his ear lobes. That's ****ed up. Not my business though.

    Being an old salt myself, tattoo's, ear rings and bell bottoms are nothing new to me either. Ain't 13 buttons a bitch when ya gotta pee? Now THAT'S abnormal.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Let's see, gay marriage fails, in every state.

    "Civil Unions" however, work out pretty well. All the benefits, without pissing off the public by altering the definition of Marriage.

    So.... if this was really about rights, they would push Civil Unions across all 50 states and go from there.

    But, we all know that all isn't the end game here, and that's why it's a big issue.
    Seperate But Equal is inherently unequal.

    Seriously, this **** has been said before by people arguing against miscegenation, and it will get defeated in exactly the same manner.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Seperate But Equal is inherently unequal.

    Seriously, this **** has been said before by people arguing against miscegenation, and it will get defeated in exactly the same manner.
    Separate but equal referred to race not sexual behavior.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh wah. Like definitions haven't been changed before?

    Let's take a look at the word "faggot". It use to mean a bundle of sticks. Now it is an epitaph towards homosexuals. The word "gay" went from meaning "happy" to another epitaph towards homosexuals and then changed again to just meaning homosexuals (this last change only happened because homosexuals took the word for themselves and turned it around on homophobic's).

    Why is it OK for people to change the definition of words towards a group into a derogatory term and yet it is wrong to expand the definition of marriage to include EVERYONE and not just one particular group?
    Because this isn't about expanding the definition of a word. Its about changing the law.
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