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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

bicycleman said:
I am only agreeing with you regarding the term, "guardian." Back then and even now, guardian doesn't mean 2 daddies or 2 mommies.
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If we are using the term "guardian"... not plural, then it doesn't mean 1 daddie and one mommie, either. Can't have it both ways.

Oh... and btw... you are committing the Appeal to tradition logical fallacy AGAIN. Makes your argument irrelevant and illogical.
 
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CriticalThought said:
And there is that "God" again. :mrgreen:

It's funny how that always comes up from the anti same sex marriage folks.
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You need to take the time to read the thread......I have given my reasons for being against gay marriage many times and they have nothing to do with God..........
 
Navy Pride said:
No but I say the Declaration of Independence is..........
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Relevant as an historical footnote in American history? Absolutely. It's influence ends there.
 
Navy Pride said:
No but I say the Declaration of Independence is..........
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Not from a legal standpoint. The DOI has no legal authority in the US, currently. It was written as a pronouncement to Great Britain, claiming independence. This has been obtained, so as a legal document, it is no longer relevant.
 
Navy Pride said:
Gods law are weaved into the fabric of this country and to say otherwise is ludicrous........
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Our government was set up on 18th century Enlightenment ideals and influenced heavily by Masonic thought as well. The Constitution is based upon the Bible inasmuch as Enlightenment and Masonic thought was influenced by it, but nothing more.

The Founders knew better than to set up a theocracy or to give one particular sect preeminence over the others.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Not from a legal standpoint. The DOI has no legal authority in the US, currently. It was written as a pronouncement to Great Britain, claiming independence. This has been obtained, so as a legal document, it is no longer relevant.
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My point is the mention of God in the DOI...........
 
Navy Pride said:
You need to take the time to read the thread......I have given my reasons for being against gay marriage many times and they have nothing to do with God..........
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Okay fine let's move on. Are not your opinions on gay marriage based on gender, yes or no?
 
Navy Pride said:
My point is the mention of God in the DOI...........
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So what? It mentions A GOD, not the Judeo-Christan God.

Hmmm? You did read past the first paragraph I assume?
 
bicycleman said:
Actually no, because he had an original mother and father. It was still in the natural order of things. He knew his biological father. It would only work if one of his 2 daddies died, then he wouldn't be looked at so troubling. The school authorities would merely assume that his mother had passed away.
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Somebody adopted by a same sex couple may not know both their biological parents either.

It doesn't matter which way you spin it, your example does not lead to any reasonable argument.
It looks like you are searching for a reason to justify your position. You're not doing well.

It works better the other way round: follow reason to arrive at a position. ;)
 
Coronado said:
Our government was set up on 18th century Enlightenment ideals and influenced heavily by Masonic thought as well. The Constitution is based upon the Bible inasmuch as Enlightenment and Masonic thought was influenced by it, but nothing more.

The Founders knew better than to set up a theocracy or to give one particular sect preeminence over the others.
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We used to have and expression when I was growing up,,,"Love it or leave it."
 
Blackdog said:
The Constitution is not based on biblical truths. It is based on reason dating back farther than the bible. Even back to Babylon.

I am a Christian and you are taking it WAY out of context.
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Then you should remember the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and why these two cities were destroyed.

If man's laws were not based on what is written in the Bible, then how do you explain the laws against sodomy in every state in the union?
 
Blackdog said:
So what? It mentions A GOD, not the Judeo-Christan God.

Hmmm? You did read past the first paragraph I assume?
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You really don't think they are talking about the Judeo Christian God?

I can tell you they are not talking about the radical islamic muslim God.....
 
winston53660 said:
Okay fine let's move on. Are not your opinions on gay marriage based on gender, yes or no?
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It has more to do with the excretionary function of the anal passage, I seem to recall.
 
roderic said:
Somebody adopted by a same sex couple may not know both their biological parents either.

It doesn't matter which way you spin it, your example does not lead to any reasonable argument.
It looks like you are searching for a reason to justify your position. You're not doing well.

It works better the other way round: follow reason to arrive at a position. ;)
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What kind of values do same-sex parents instill in little Johnny? Does he too grow up to be a homosexual like his 2 daddies? Do his 2 daddies push him into the gay lifestyle, steering him away from the natural order of things? Those are the questions you need to answer for me.
 
winston53660 said:
Okay fine let's move on. Are not your opinions on gay marriage based on gender, yes or no?
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My main reason for being against gay marriage is the bucket of words (which I have covered extensively) it opens if approved..........I have secondary reasons to but that is the main one.......
 
Navy Pride said:
We used to have and expression when I was growing up,,,"Love it or leave it."
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One of my ancestors signed the DOI, thank you, so I'll be staying right here. If you don't like it, you're more than free to get the **** out.

Do you have anything intelligent and/or relevant to say to my point, or should I interpret your babbling to be a concession?
 
bicycleman said:
Then you should remember the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and why these two cities were destroyed.
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OT laws for his chosen people do not apply to modern day Christians. You should know this.

bicycleman said:
If man's laws were not based on what is written in the Bible, then how do you explain the laws against sodomy in every state in the union?
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Even the NT makes no mention of sodomy being a sin. It's funny if you go back to the actual text even in the OT. The translation says they were talking about rape or forced sodomy. The act itself if done to a woman does not seem to be a sin according to Jesus. Of course he made no mention of gay at all. Paul is the one who mentioned it.


If it was that important, why didn't Jesus mention it?
 
bicycleman said:
What kind of values do same-sex parents instill in little Johnny? Does he too grow up to be a homosexual like his 2 daddies? Do his 2 daddies push him into the gay lifestyle, steering him away from the natural order of things? Those are the questions you need to answer for me.
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Imagine how confused a kid would be growing up with two fathers or mothers........
 
Coronado said:
One of my ancestors signed the DOI, thank you, so I'll be staying right here. If you don't like it, you're more than free to get the **** out.

Do you have anything intelligent and/or relevant to say to my point, or should I interpret your babbling to be a concession?
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Yeah, I signed it to.........Then obey the laws of the land or try and change them legally........
 
Navy Pride said:
You really don't think they are talking about the Judeo Christian God?

I can tell you they are not talking about the radical islamic muslim God.....
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What does Islam have to do with this? :roll:

They were talking about a God, any God that a person may worship.
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah, I signed it to.........Then obey the laws of the land or try and change them legally........
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WOW! You are either much older than I thought or the biggest liar in history! :lol:
 
Blackdog said:
What does Islam have to do with this? :roll:

They were talking about a God, any God that a person may worship.
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Christians only believe in Christ. Now, are you saying you accept Allah, too?
 
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