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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    When you boil it down, all the arguments against gay marriage are "I don't like it so therefore they shouldn't have it."

    But you know what worries me lately? Corporate marriage. Let's face it, if corporations are now people, they'll be demanding marriage rights next!

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    When you boil it down, all the arguments against gay marriage are "I don't like it so therefore they shouldn't have it."

    But you know what worries me lately? Corporate marriage. Let's face it, if corporations are now people, they'll be demanding marriage rights next!
    I wanna marry both Procter and Gamble

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    There isn't a lot of evidence that they benefit society.
    So? Are you saying that if there weren't a lot of evidence that gay marriage benefitted society that that would somehow be justification for treating a group of people like second class citizens?

    If studies showed that gay marriage cost taxpayer dollars without providing a benefit to society, would you be against gay marriage?

    What studies have been done of them have found that they are difficult to sustain without substantial wealth,
    So? So are Regular old straight marriages. For that matter, they are hard to sustain with substantial wealth, and most of them fail.

    the wives often compete so that their children will get the attention of the father
    This is America. We think competition is good. I am sure the husbands of queen bees must compete as well.

    and in some sects, the boys of the family are kicked out of the family because they pose as competition to their fathers for young wives.
    So? Young men leaving the nest isn't bad for society either.

    In reality the "gay marriage will lead to polygamy" argument is humorous because the opposite is true. Polgyamy has lead to same sex marriage. Polygamy existed before same sex marriage, was outlawed before same sex marriage, and is the first argument brought up when considering same sex marriage. People have effectively used the banning of polygamy as the defining factor for two person marriages. However, the flaw in that definition is that it doesn't justify restricting the genders of the two people getting married to being different. So people have no put the wagon in front of the horse and now argue that what they have used to define marriage, the banning of polygamy, will fall apart if two people of the same sex are allowed to marry. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but meh.
    Sure it makes sense. There was polygamy, which was cool. There was also patriarchal misogyny, which caused problems. A bunch of nimrods misidentified polygamy as the problem and as you said, outlawed it. Obviously problems continued, so nimrods misidentified homosexuality as the problem, and as you said, outlawed it after polygamy.

    Now folks are figuring out that homosexuality isn't a problem. Soon they will figure out that polyamory isn't a problem either. Hopefully one day they will figure out that governments sticking their noses where they don't belong IS a problem.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    When you boil it down, all the arguments against gay marriage are "I don't like it so therefore they shouldn't have it."

    But you know what worries me lately? Corporate marriage. Let's face it, if corporations are now people, they'll be demanding marriage rights next!
    They all ready can, it's called a merger.

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