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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I could give a flying **** less what you have had to say about anything to be honest.
    Then why the **** are you even bothering to have a conversation with anyone on a message board. You'd be better served to go yammer out your ramblings on a blog where no one can challenge your warped perceptions.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Then why the **** are you even bothering to have a conversation with anyone on a message board. You'd be better served to go yammer out your ramblings on a blog where no one can challenge your warped perceptions.
    I said him, specifically. If he's gonna try to pigeon hole me on one misconception he has, he's obviously not interested in where I actually stand on this issue.

    You get that Jall? I know why you are pissy with me, I'm not embracing the Gay Agenda 110%, so you're going after me, that's fine, I get it.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    As I said, I was referring to your comment, not your position.
    What about the comment lead you to believe that?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, you don't "get" it and you never have.



    My issue with the rampant stupidity in your posts has more to do with your total denial of any kind of factual information in favor of keeping with your refuted mutterings.
    Ahh, general blathering about how I'm ignorant and stupid because I don't truck with your "facts".

    You're denying that proponents of group marriage are NOT going to use the same legal challenges and arguments that the Gay Marriage folks are using?

    And you call me stupid and idiotic?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Homosexuals are only trying to justify and their choice to be homosexual because they can't deal with reality.

    After all the whole I was born this way is and always has been a lie.
    So essentially, by that token, you chose to be straight then, correct? After all, if sexual orientation is a simple choice then there really is nothing wrong with choosing to be a homosexual anymore than there would be for choosing to be a heterosexual.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What about the comment lead you to believe that?
    "Just because I don't embrace all things homosexual as being sunshine and lollipops does not make my stance stupid or ignorant."

    As if people were asking you to be totally embracing of homosexuality.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    "Just because I don't embrace all things homosexual as being sunshine and lollipops does not make my stance stupid or ignorant."

    As if people were asking you to be totally embracing of homosexuality.
    Oh, so what should my stance be? And what should it be based on then?

    NJ, a liberal state, defeated Gay Marriage. I think that says a lot about the issue personally.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh, so what should my stance be? And what should it be based on then?
    You are free to have whatever stance you want. I only disagreed with the thinking behind your comment. Just because someone disagrees with you on one gay issue doesn't mean they expect you to embrace all of homosexuality. It was a dumb comment on your part, and you are just pissed that I called you out on it so you are trying to get me to take issue with your positoin.

    NJ, a liberal state, defeated Gay Marriage. I think that says a lot about the issue personally.
    Not really. Let's consider the facts. New Jersey already has civil unions that offer all the same state rights as marriage, save the name. The New Jersey legislator simply put down a bill on gay marriage before midterms elections. It doesn't mean that gay marriage was beaten by a ballot initiative that amended the state Constitution. The issue can be brought up again as many times as it takes until it passes. Gay rights activists are getting pretty good at being patient, and until there is a Supreme Court ruling or Federal Constitutional Amendment that prohibits same sex marriage, we are always going to try for it. It would be dumb of us not to try since there is so much benefit involved in obtaining marriage. Unfortunately, civil unions and domestic partnerships do a lot to inhibit us from getting marriage, because it is seen as a compromise in liberal states like California, Maine, New York, and New Jersey. We haven't lost any rights in any of those states aside from calling our unions, "marriage" instead of "civil unions" or "domestic partnerships". In essence, if you had your way and every Conservative decided tomorrow to support civil unions, then we probably wouldn't see marriage for several generations simply because it would be difficult to argue why we deserved the name "marriage" when we are getting all the rights.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I said him, specifically. If he's gonna try to pigeon hole me on one misconception he has, he's obviously not interested in where I actually stand on this issue.

    You get that Jall? I know why you are pissy with me, I'm not embracing the Gay Agenda 110%, so you're going after me, that's fine, I get it.
    Actually, that has very little to do with it as I don't support the "gay agenda" 110% so again, you utterly fail. Unless your intent was to mouth off more insanely stupid ramblings.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Ahh, general blathering about how I'm ignorant and stupid because I don't truck with your "facts".

    You're denying that proponents of group marriage are NOT going to use the same legal challenges and arguments that the Gay Marriage folks are using?

    And you call me stupid and idiotic?
    I'm saying that unless you've developed some super awesome-o mind powers that none of the rest of the human race has evolved to (and we both know where I stand on that assessment by now), you can't make a certain prognostication as to what will happen.

    However I can say this with full certainty...group marriage does not fit the ordered contract that marriage is in that a group marriage occludes the whole concept of naming one person to be your irreplacable partner. That would prevent the argument right off the bat.

    But let's not let reason and critical thought get in the way of whatever it is you are trying to accomplish here.

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