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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You posted a source that suggested children are at a greater risk of being molested by homosexuals than by heterosexuals. Either you are acknowledging that is bull, or you are saying you don't care that children wil be molested by homosexual couples in civil unions. Which is it?



    Look at argument 1 in the first thread you quoted.

    Now do you want me to go through all the counterarguments on that issue. Such as the fact that none of the countries that have legalized same sex marriage have legalized polygamy, or all the differences between polygamy and same sex marriage that make them incomparable, or the fact that there is evidence supporting the societal benefits of same sex marriage but not polygamous marriages? Frankly, when you argue both sides of an issue, you know how to destroy the irrational arguments.
    he won't. he can't argue with facts.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you believe it because some guy wrote a book in '96, and it said what you wanted it to? What about the fact even if being gay is not genetic, it may still be something beyond a persons control? What about the legitimate studies which show that orientation is determined very early in life and does not appear to change? What about the overwhelming body of evidence that says that orientation is not a choice? Oh wait, all that is inconvenient, so you will just dismiss it.
    Funny thing about it, too, is that the article reads more like an editorial than any fact based reporting.

    Pretty much, the gist of the article is "I know the scientific community says all these other things but they're just wrong because I don't like what their findings say."

    Yeah, not really buying into that. Further, it's also of note that he is one of NARTH's most valued professional witnesses. That tells me all I need to know right there.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Funny thing about it, too, is that the article reads more like an editorial than any fact based reporting.

    Pretty much, the gist of the article is "I know the scientific community says all these other things but they're just wrong because I don't like what their findings say."

    Yeah, not really buying into that. Further, it's also of note that he is one of NARTH's most valued professional witnesses. That tells me all I need to know right there.
    It's about the forth time he has used that link and quote. CC has demolished it at least once, but he keeps bringing back the exact same link/quote.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Funny thing about it, too, is that the article reads more like an editorial than any fact based reporting.

    Pretty much, the gist of the article is "I know the scientific community says all these other things but they're just wrong because I don't like what their findings say."

    Yeah, not really buying into that. Further, it's also of note that he is one of NARTH's most valued professional witnesses. That tells me all I need to know right there.
    i can't find any university information on the guy.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i can't find any university information on the guy.
    I know, and most everything that references calls him an "ex gay movement pundit".

    In other words, he is a pariah in the psychology field.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You're a liberal believe only what you want or are told and this guy is a respected Doctor not some Guy and if you could you'd read much more of the research that proves the gene BS is just that.
    respected by whom?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Murder is an innate trait people act upon. Does that make it right?

    I'm not equating murder to homosexuality, rather I'm pointing out that even IF it is a genetic pre-disposition... you cannot deny that one must CHOOSE to act on said desires.

    The real question is, is it RIGHT to do so, and further more should society encourage such.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Murder hurts people, homosexuality does not.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Murder is an innate trait people act upon. Does that make it right?
    Murder is an innate trait? Where do you get that?

    I'm not equating murder to homosexuality, rather I'm pointing out that even IF it is a genetic pre-disposition... you cannot deny that one must CHOOSE to act on said desires.
    Good. You understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Many do not.

    The real question is, is it RIGHT to do so, and further more should society encourage such.
    Your first question in this sentence is the problem with the anti-GM argument. Whether or not it is "right" is irrelevant because that is a value judgment. Is it "right" to allow women to vote? Is it "right" to allow blacks to marry whites? Is it "right" to allow Jews to own businesses? These are all value judgments and illogical when leading to the second part of your question. That part, "should society encourage such" could be answered by answering this question: does it benefit society? One first needs to define benefits to society before answering this question, however.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You're a liberal believe only what you want or are told and this guy is a respected Doctor not some Guy and if you could you'd read much more of the research that proves the gene BS is just that.
    You're a conservative who only believes what he is told and ignores any valid research that proves him wrong, simply because it is inconvenient to his invalid conservative position.

    Now that we have dispensed with the ridiculous partisan hackery, do you have anything of substance and credibility to add to this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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