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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I really don't know how to respond to this. It's so clear I am not sure how you missed it.

    I was going to respond but realized I would simply be repeating the original post. Seriously, the map is as clear as day. Green states allow gay marriage, yellow states have a civil union that is the same thing as marriage except in name. You add them up, that's nine.

    Unless you're trying so hard to keep the numbers down that you refuse to acknowledge a civil union as a "recognition".
    His claim was 9 states allowed gay marriage..........that is false......we are not talking about civil unions here....that is a whole anothr thread.............
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    His claim was 9 states allowed gay marriage..........that is false.......
    No he stated that 9 states RECOGNIZED gay marriage. That is true.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post


    Navy, just because California doesn't give out same sex marriage certificates does not mean it doesn't recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.

    In other words, if I get married to a man in Vermont and I move to California, then my same sex marriage will be recognized by the state of California even though California has a Constitutional Ban against same sex marriage.

    SheWired.com - Schwarzenegger Signs Gay Rights Bills

    The same holds true in New York, New Jersey, and Washington. Even though none of those states have same sex marriage, they will recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.
    And that was before the people of California rejected gay marriage and now it is in a court case in SF that will probably go to the SCOTUS.......When the people vote my friend your side loses 31-0 and growing..........sorry
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    His claim was 9 states allowed gay marriage..........that is false......we are not talking about civil unions here....that is a whole anothr thread.............
    Noooooooooo. Recognized. Be a good Navy, stop embarrassing yourself, and go back and read what I typed.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    And that was before the people of California rejected gay marriage and now it is in a court case in SF that will probably go to the SCOTUS.......When the people vote my friend your side loses 31-0 and growing..........sorry
    No, that bill was signed long after the referendum. Look, the article says it right there. All you have to do is read it.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    And that was before the people of California rejected gay marriage and now it is in a court case in SF that will probably go to the SCOTUS.......When the people vote my friend your side loses 31-0 and growing..........sorry
    Dude, you should have read the article, because this really is getting embarrassing at this point...

    The bill signed by the governor also says gay and lesbian couples who were married in other states after Prop 8's passage have the same rights and benefits that California grants domestic partners.

    Gov. Schwarzenegger attached the following statement to the same-sex couple law:

    "As required by Proposition 8, California will not recognize such couples as 'married.' However, Senate Bill 54 will provide the same legal protections that would otherwise be available to couples that enter into civil unions or domestic partnerships out-of-state. In short, this measure honors the will of the People in enacting Proposition 8 while providing important protections to those unions legally entered into in other states," Schwarzenegger wrote.
    They recognize same sex marriages performed in other states as domestic partnerships that have all the same rights as marriage. Under DOMA that is as good as gays can get it even if it is called "marriage".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    No, that bill was signed long after the referendum. Look, the article says it right there. All you have to do is read it.

    Man! How many times can you wrong before you get it?
    I am telling you that once gay marriage is defeated in the court case any gays so called married in California will be null and void regardless if they are out of state or not..............second no gay marriage anywhere receives federal benefits.......There is a national Defense of Marriage Act signed by President Clinton that takes care of that.........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am telling you that once gay marriage is defeated in the court case any gays so called married in California will be null and void regardless if they are out of state or not..............second no gay marriage anywhere receives federal benefits.......There is a national Defense of Marriage Act signed by President Clinton that takes care of that.........


    Good for you Navy.

    But for now we can agree that same sex marriage is recognized in 9 states. If Hawaii passes its civil unions bill, I believe that would bring up the total to 10 even though Hawaii would not allow same sex marriage.

    Now if DOMA came down, then the total would be only 5 states recognize same sex marriage, because then you are talking about over a 1,000 federal rights that wouldn't be granted in every state.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am telling you that once gay marriage is defeated in the court case any gays so called married in California will be null and void regardless if they are out of state or not..............second no gay marriage anywhere receives federal benefits.......There is a national Defense of Marriage Act signed by President Clinton that takes care of that.........
    Yes, but all of that doesn't change the fact that you were completely wrong previously.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Yes, but all of that doesn't change the fact that you were completely wrong previously.
    Which has nothing t do with the subject of this thread......you happy now?
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