Page 154 of 184 FirstFirst ... 54104144152153154155156164 ... LastLast
Results 1,531 to 1,540 of 1834

Thread: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

  1. #1531
    Professor Charles Martel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    03-21-10 @ 08:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,668

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is good news, I think.
    Its good that Congress/lawmakers are better representing the majority of people.
    Its good that ,finally, homosexuals have equal rights.
    Did you read the article?

    TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey's state Senate has defeated a bill to legalize gay marriage, the latest in a string of setbacks for advocates.

    The defeat, by a vote of 20-14, likely ends any chance that the state Legislature approves gay marriage soon. Five senators did not vote; there is one Senate vacancy.
    Along with the Jerseyians electing a Republican into the Governor's Chair, New York's lil sister may finally be waking up...is my take on it.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

  2. #1532
    Student
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    08-26-17 @ 12:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    192

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    ... Therefore, what you wrote above is irrelevant.
    ...the opinion of a gay advocates, a small minority of our population

    Fortunately we heterosexuals and Christians have vastly more numbers. Even those easily swayed if given the above arguments would acknowledge its simple common sense wisdom without having to defer to some study by politically correct twistinfo-perts. That is why here in California it was so easy to suddenly change the minds of the easily swayed right before the election while your friends were confidently believing manipulated garbage data from your own media.

  3. #1533
    Irrelevant Pissant

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Last Seen
    03-13-14 @ 07:55 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,194

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Fortunately we heterosexuals and Christians have vastly more numbers.
    So did Xerxes I.

  4. #1534
    Sage
    CriticalThought's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    18,133

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    ...the opinion of a gay advocates, a small minority of our population

    Fortunately we heterosexuals and Christians have vastly more numbers. Even those easily swayed if given the above arguments would acknowledge its simple common sense wisdom without having to defer to some study by politically correct twistinfo-perts. That is why here in California it was so easy to suddenly change the minds of the easily swayed right before the election while your friends were confidently believing manipulated garbage data from your own media.
    It's quite inspirational if you think about it. Gays and lesbians make up at most 5% of the population, and yet every recent vote on same sex marriage, including California, has been nearly 50/50. There would be no debate on the issue without heterosexual Christians in this country. Most of the people who support same sex marriage are heterosexual Christians. And for that matter, the first countries to legalize same sex marriage were Christian nations. It is and always has been Christians who have pushed for same sex marriage. Christians believe in tolerance and equality.

    Maybe you fill privileged by fear mongering the undecideds into voting against same sex marriage by making claims that it will be taught in schools, but that is propaganda, not common sense. Don't kid yourself about the kind of tactics your side has had to stoop to in order to win in states like California. It has all been coming out in the Prop 8 trial, which was exactly why your side was terrified of the trial being televised.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 01-27-10 at 04:52 PM.

  5. #1535
    Professor Charles Martel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    03-21-10 @ 08:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,668

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Good to know it's not the religiously inclined that are opposed to ssm. Seems other arguments then are made to oppose then? I mean, you seem to know alot about the people who support it, most of them apparently christian heterosexuals. The overwhelming opposition...and it's not 50/50, it's normally about 55/45, 57/43 in my state, this thread's title vote 20-14....what are the reasons so many oppose....if not religion?
    Last edited by Charles Martel; 01-27-10 at 05:55 PM.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

  6. #1536
    User phildozer9121's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Illinois
    Last Seen
    09-18-15 @ 11:11 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    147

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Early in american history, you couldn't marry because you're black and she's white

    Now it's you can't marry because you are homosexual

    What's next? Since when does the government have the right to determine whether my romantic relationship is valid or not? Catholics have the right to give alcohol to minors every sunday on the premise that it's someone's blood

    You have your beliefs and I have mine, and If I can live with your spritual canabalism, then certainly you can live with homosexuals marrying one another.

  7. #1537
    Sage
    CriticalThought's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    18,133

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Good to know it's not the religiously inclined that are opposed to ssm. Seems other arguments then are made to oppose then? I mean, you seem to know alot about the people who support it, most of them apparently christian heterosexuals. The overwhelming opposition...and it's not 50/50, it's normally about 55/45, 57/43 in my state, this thread's title vote 20-14....what are the reasons so many oppose....if not religion?
    It is the traditionally inclined who are against same sex marriage. Hence the argument, "we support the traditional definition of marriage". In other words, it is those who wish to protect the status quo and who are afraid of change. They will use religion as a tool to push their agenda, arguing that gays are perverts, abominations, etc. but religion in itself is simply a tool. Christians can choose to interpret their religion anyway they wish, and an increasing number of Christians choose to interpret their religion as favorable to same sex marriage. That makes sense, since if you get to the quick of it, Paul's primary argument against homosexual behavior was that it was a form of adultery. Also, given the extraordinarily shrinking margins over just the last 10 years, it is pretty safe to assume that even a 57/43 vote is monumental progress and who knows where it will be in another 10 years.

  8. #1538
    Professor Charles Martel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    03-21-10 @ 08:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,668

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It is the traditionally inclined who are against same sex marriage. Hence the argument, "we support the traditional definition of marriage". In other words, it is those who wish to protect the status quo and who are afraid of change. They will use religion as a tool to push their agenda, arguing that gays are perverts, abominations, etc. but religion in itself is simply a tool. Christians can choose to interpret their religion anyway they wish, and an increasing number of Christians choose to interpret their religion as favorable to same sex marriage. That makes sense, since if you get to the quick of it, Paul's primary argument against homosexual behavior was that it was a form of adultery. Also, given the extraordinarily shrinking margins over just the last 10 years, it is pretty safe to assume that even a 57/43 vote is monumental progress and who knows where it will be in another 10 years.
    The traditionally inclined are heterosexual christians....CT. Sorry. And the status quo we don't want changed is We the People's right to define our own institutions. But, we seem to agree it's these We the People that need to define it, so, where we are different in position on this matter, we agree on process.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

  9. #1539
    Professor Charles Martel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    03-21-10 @ 08:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,668

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phildozer9121 View Post
    What's next? Since when does the government have the right to determine whether my romantic relationship is valid or not? Catholics have the right to give alcohol to minors every sunday on the premise that it's someone's blood
    CT....Panache....wonderin why yer getting yer royal arses defeated, why your record stands as 0-31?

    Because...there are those of you making analogies between same sex marriage and Catholics taking the host and wine at communion.

    I'd closet these voices right away, yer 55/45 split will be an easy 70/30 after ridiculous theories are offered. Please Phil.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

  10. #1540
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:38 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    29,261

    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    The traditionally inclined are heterosexual christians....CT. Sorry. And the status quo we don't want changed is We the People's right to define our own institutions. But, we seem to agree it's these We the People that need to define it, so, where we are different in position on this matter, we agree on process.
    Sorry to get a bit off topic here but do you agree with the tax hike on the rich the people in Oregon voted for?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •