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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You are being obtuse and not even making any sense. I suggest you move on from this before you look even more foolish than you already do.
    Sorry, I'll dismiss your suggestion....and stay right here. You telling me marriage is like any other contract and then giving a definition clearly proving it's quite unique shatters your intergrity here, we move on, your argument is a lock, stock, and barrell joke.

    Just like any other contract
    But just hours ago:

    the point of the marriage contract is that, given the natural tendancy of the human being to choose life-long mates and that being directly tied to the pursuit of one's happiness, the state makes concessions for us to choose one person to be irreplacable to us.
    So...other contract's points are....related to natural human tendencies....and pursuit of one's happiness, all other contracts receiving "concessions fo us to choose one irreplaceable person."

    That ain't like ANY OTHER CONTRACT. And your argument is a massive contradiction. Not to mention hypocritical.

    I don't give a flying **** what you did in college, sir.
    She was so awesome...red hair..gymnastic bod....gorgeous. I was struck.

    You obviously took nothing of value from the experience because you don't even know what the definition of a contradiction is.
    You argument a clear contradiction.

    There was nothing contradictory in my stance
    I even highlighted above a massive bit of hypocrisy, NOT ONE of the definitions you gave for marriage are like ANY OTHER contract. You destroyed your own nonsense.

    Is this where you start the "neener neener neener" routine or do you just cry that someone is being "insulting" and making irrelevant conjectures about emotional states?
    No, it's where I teel you you're wrong, point out the blatant hypocrisy, and highlight the massive contradiction on your part, why?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Sorry, I'll dismiss your suggestion....and stay right here.
    Then you may continue looking foolish and playing the part of an obtuse troll.

    I don't really care one way or another. There is plenty of entertaining and stimulating conversation to be had around here without indulging your stupidity any longer.

    You are a troll and nothing more. You present no coherent or rational debate and so to continue on with you would be to waste bandwidth and server resources.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You present no coherent or rational debate and so to continue on with you would be to waste bandwidth and server resources.
    Your personal insults are of no relevance here...and you cannot name me another contract anything like what you've described concerning marriage and the point of it all. You are correct, there is no need to continue on, you've already contradicted your own argument. Amazing....almost like an argument suicide or something.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are hateful.

    Man+Woman: No, we don't hate anybody, we love and care about everyone, especially the weakest and most vulnerable among us, that is, children.

    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are advocating a tyranny of the majority.

    Man+Woman: No, we are looking out for the powerless, that is children.

    Gays: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the separation of church and state.

    Man+Woman: No, the belief that a child deserves to start life with a mother and father is not a religious belief, it is a belief that arises from rational intuition, otherwise known as common sense. Multitudes of secular people hold it and have overwhelming so through history over a broad swatch of cultures.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is homosexuals.

    Man+Woman: What gays are demanding would violate the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is children.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are primarily concerned that their marriages will be at risk.

    Man+Woman: No, we are primarily concerned that children will be disadvantaged. With legalized same-sex marriage, no adoption agency will be allowed to discriminate in favor of heterosexual parents, meaning many more children will be consigned to that deprivation than are currently.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage don't care about the feelings of homosexuals.

    Answer: We care a great deal about their feelings. But we care more about the needs of children than the feelings of adults.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage can't stand to see gays living in joy and life-long commitment with their partners.

    Man+Woman: We are happy to see gays live in joy and life-long commitment to whomever they please. Just don't ask the state to call it marriage, because doing so would greatly increase the numbers of children whose basic human right to a mother and a father will be denied.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are hateful.

    Man+Woman: No, we don't hate anybody, we love and care about everyone, especially the weakest and most vulnerable among us, that is, children.

    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are advocating a tyranny of the majority.

    Man+Woman: No, we are looking out for the powerless, that is children.

    Gays: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the separation of church and state.

    Man+Woman: No, the belief that a child deserves to start life with a mother and father is not a religious belief, it is a belief that arises from rational intuition, otherwise known as common sense. Multitudes of secular people hold it and have overwhelming so through history over a broad swatch of cultures.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is homosexuals.

    Man+Woman: What gays are demanding would violate the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is children.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are primarily concerned that their marriages will be at risk.

    Man+Woman: No, we are primarily concerned that children will be disadvantaged. With legalized same-sex marriage, no adoption agency will be allowed to discriminate in favor of heterosexual parents, meaning many more children will be consigned to that deprivation than are currently.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage don't care about the feelings of homosexuals.

    Answer: We care a great deal about their feelings. But we care more about the needs of children than the feelings of adults.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage can't stand to see gays living in joy and life-long commitment with their partners.

    Man+Woman: We are happy to see gays live in joy and life-long commitment to whomever they please. Just don't ask the state to call it marriage, because doing so would greatly increase the numbers of children whose basic human right to a mother and a father will be denied.
    Other than leaving out 3 other arguments I can think of that have been discussed here at nausieum, well done! You've certainly captured the complete picture
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are hateful.

    Man+Woman: No, we don't hate anybody, we love and care about everyone, especially the weakest and most vulnerable among us, that is, children.

    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are advocating a tyranny of the majority.

    Man+Woman: No, we are looking out for the powerless, that is children.

    Gays: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the separation of church and state.

    Man+Woman: No, the belief that a child deserves to start life with a mother and father is not a religious belief, it is a belief that arises from rational intuition, otherwise known as common sense. Multitudes of secular people hold it and have overwhelming so through history over a broad swatch of cultures.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is homosexuals.

    Man+Woman: What gays are demanding would violate the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is children.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are primarily concerned that their marriages will be at risk.

    Man+Woman: No, we are primarily concerned that children will be disadvantaged. With legalized same-sex marriage, no adoption agency will be allowed to discriminate in favor of heterosexual parents, meaning many more children will be consigned to that deprivation than are currently.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage don't care about the feelings of homosexuals.

    Answer: We care a great deal about their feelings. But we care more about the needs of children than the feelings of adults.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage can't stand to see gays living in joy and life-long commitment with their partners.

    Man+Woman: We are happy to see gays live in joy and life-long commitment to whomever they please. Just don't ask the state to call it marriage, because doing so would greatly increase the numbers of children whose basic human right to a mother and a father will be denied.
    Unfortunately for you, this is not based in reality. Children do just as well with gay couples as they do with straight. Therefore, what you wrote above is irrelevant.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are hateful.

    Man+Woman: No, we don't hate anybody, we love and care about everyone, especially the weakest and most vulnerable among us, that is, children.

    Gay+Gay: Those who would deny same-sex marriage are advocating a tyranny of the majority.

    Man+Woman: No, we are looking out for the powerless, that is children.

    Gays: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the separation of church and state.

    Man+Woman: No, the belief that a child deserves to start life with a mother and father is not a religious belief, it is a belief that arises from rational intuition, otherwise known as common sense. Multitudes of secular people hold it and have overwhelming so through history over a broad swatch of cultures.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are violating the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is homosexuals.

    Man+Woman: What gays are demanding would violate the human rights of a whole class of individuals, that is children.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage are primarily concerned that their marriages will be at risk.

    Man+Woman: No, we are primarily concerned that children will be disadvantaged. With legalized same-sex marriage, no adoption agency will be allowed to discriminate in favor of heterosexual parents, meaning many more children will be consigned to that deprivation than are currently.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage don't care about the feelings of homosexuals.

    Answer: We care a great deal about their feelings. But we care more about the needs of children than the feelings of adults.

    Gay+Gay: That those who would deny same-sex marriage can't stand to see gays living in joy and life-long commitment with their partners.

    Man+Woman: We are happy to see gays live in joy and life-long commitment to whomever they please. Just don't ask the state to call it marriage, because doing so would greatly increase the numbers of children whose basic human right to a mother and a father will be denied.
    Gay+Gay: You guys get to screw over everyone else, we should get to too!

    Man+Woman: But... think of the children!


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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Other than leaving out 3 other arguments I can think of that have been discussed here at nausieum, well done! You've certainly captured the complete picture
    Except for the fact that 8 to 10 million children are being raised by a gay parent or same sex couple in this country and both the American Pediatric Association and American Medical Association have indicated that those children could benefit immensely if same sex marriage were legal.

    In fact, if all the traditional marriage side's argument really amounts to is what is best for the children, then the traditional marriage side is arguably doing considerably more harm to children.

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    8 to 10 million children...that would "benefit" from same sex marriage you say?

    Meaning, they aren't in the best of situations now? I mean if preventing ssm is doing "considerable harm", that means these children are at risk of harm now?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    This is good news, I think.
    Its good that Congress/lawmakers are better representing the majority of people.
    Its good that ,finally, homosexuals have equal rights.

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