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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    No.........
    Yes.....

    I know, it's a civil rights thing, society must accept changing Marriage from one man, one woman to whatever combination people want. Polygamist are chomping at the bit for you guys to win a court case.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Three cheers for morality!

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes.....

    I know, it's a civil rights thing, society must accept changing Marriage from one man, one woman to whatever combination people want. Polygamist are chomping at the bit for you guys to win a court case.
    What would their Constitutional argument be? Religious discrimination I doubt would fly since as of now no religion can have state sanctioned polygamy, not muslim, momon, hindu, satanist, wiccan, etc.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    What would their Constitutional argument be? Religious discrimination I doubt would fly since as of now no religion can have state sanctioned polygamy, not muslim, momon, hindu, satanist, wiccan, etc.
    Why not? What makes passing judgement on polyamory any more ok than on homosexuality?

    This is one of the reasons I am not too keen on making gay marriage "legal."

    Allowing the government to regulate gay marriage in addition to straight marriage isn't progress any more than allowing white women to own black people as slaves in addition to allowing white men to own black people as slaves would have been a couple centuries ago.

    Progress would be people telling their government not to regulate things that are none of its damn business.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Why not? What makes passing judgement on polyamory any more ok than on homosexuality?

    This is one of the reasons I am not too keen on making gay marriage "legal."

    Allowing the government to regulate gay marriage in addition to straight marriage isn't progress any more than allowing white women to own black people as slaves in addition to allowing white men to own black people as slaves would have been a couple centuries ago.

    Progress would be people telling their government not to regulate things that are none of its damn business.

    So the Constitutional argument is because gays can get married polygamy should be allowed to?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    So the Constitutional argument is because gays can get married polygamy should be allowed to?
    That doesn't sound like a constitutional argument to me.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    That doesn't sound like a constitutional argument to me.
    Well that is what I asking about.....

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Why not? What makes passing judgement on polyamory any more ok than on homosexuality?
    No one is passing judgment on polyamory as far as I can tell. I don't give a flying rat's ass who someone falls in love with. However, to take part in the marriage contract without changing the fabric of its purpose, certain requirements need to be met.

    The first is that one must be naming another person to be their one irreplacable partner.

    The second is that both participants must be of the age of legal majority, in their sound mind, and be consenting to the arrangement.

    I wouldn't want to see cousins marrying either, but, in the case of homosexuality, that restriction makes no sense though I find the thought of cousins coupling to be rather revolting.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    No one is passing judgment on polyamory as far as I can tell. I don't give a flying rat's ass who someone falls in love with. However, to take part in the marriage contract without changing the fabric of its purpose, certain requirements need to be met.
    Maybe the fabric of its purpose needs to change then. Perhaps the fabric of its purpose should be determined by the consenting adults involved, rather than by the government.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Maybe the fabric of its purpose needs to change then. Perhaps the fabric of its purpose should be determined by the consenting adults involved, rather than by the government.
    If polygamists want to lobby for the creation of a contract tailored to their unions, then by all means, let them.

    But I must point out that polygamy is illegal in every state. Homosexuality is not. That is a key factor in determining the legitimacy of polygamous marriage contracts being recognized by the state.

    Further, it wouldn't be a marriage in the sense that we know it because the participants are not naming one person to be their irreplacable partner. They are naming several to stand in for each other. I believe that's already an exisiting contract: corporation.

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