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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    So?! Don't forget, we the people are subject to the federal constitution first, state constitution second.
    And why I support a federal amendment, but for now, I'll stick with the 10th amendment.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Why? It now permits states to not recognize other state's approvals of same sex marriage.

    Many states took an entirely different avenue and just rewrote their state constitutions, CR, this makes this shot in the foot argument hard to make. It is also states rights people that would like an attempt for a Constitutional Amendment. An attempt would be adequate, We the People then having an opportunity to speak. Many may not agree as their states already prohibit ssm. Many may not agree as they've passed ssm. The Constitutional measure proposed, the bar set in stone, let's see what the people think and move on.
    Because federal benefits are in play; marriage is a federal issue, not a state issue.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Because federal benefits are in play; marriage is a federal issue, not a state issue.
    So, until the Doma is no longer law...it applies?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    So, until the Doma is no longer law...it applies?
    The Supremes will eventually overrule DOMA and allow gay marriage.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The Supremes will eventually overrule DOMA and allow gay marriage.
    But...until that happens.....it is the rule of law and to be respected...yes?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    But...until that happens.....it is the rule of law and to be respected...yes?
    That's rather obvious. What's your point?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    That's rather obvious. What's your point?
    That it's not those that oppose ssm that must learn to live with the law. Many observers here calling for the 14th amendment to apply, the DOMA must be their first target....won't you agree?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    That it's not those that oppose ssm that must learn to live with the law. Many observers here calling for the 14th amendment to apply, the DOMA must be their first target....won't you agree?
    It was the law in California and Maine that same sex marriage was allowed. How did those who oppose same sex marriage live with the law? It's the law in 5 other states, how are the opponents of same sex marriage living with the law in those states? Don't tell people to live with the law while you are doing everything in your power to change the law. It's patronizing to say the least. You are insinuating that same sex marriage supporters do not live with the law and that opponents do, when the reality is nobody is really happy with the situation we have at present.


    How dare you insinuate that same sex marriage supporters must limit themselves to one front while opponents are free to fight on the state and federal level. Oh how convenient for you if gay rights advocates get DOMA overturned just as same sex marriage opponents have same sex marriage overturned in every state. Nobody here is that stupid.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 01-26-10 at 10:38 AM.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    That it's not those that oppose ssm that must learn to live with the law. Many observers here calling for the 14th amendment to apply, the DOMA must be their first target....won't you agree?
    You don't want to go there, it's a hypocritical stance. CriticalThought's reply was well said.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It was the law in California and Maine that same sex marriage was allowed. How did those who oppose same sex marriage live with the law? It's the law in 5 other states, how are the opponents of same sex marriage living with the law in those states? Don't tell people to live with the law while you are doing everything in your power to change the law. It's patronizing to say the least. You are insinuating that same sex marriage supporters do not live with the law and that opponents do, when the reality is nobody is really happy with the situation we have at present.


    How dare you insinuate that same sex marriage supporters must limit themselves to one front while opponents are free to fight on the state and federal level. Oh how convenient for you if gay rights advocates get DOMA overturned just as same sex marriage opponents have same sex marriage overturned in every state. Nobody here is that stupid.
    Most excellent and very well said.

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