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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

    Slowly but surely, without fail, our country moves towards that which is fair and decent. We fall back a little every now and then, but over time we end up granting rights to everyone on an equal basis.

    Look at the progress we have made with women's rights and minority rights over the past several decades. 50 years ago a white person and a black person in my state couldn't marry. Less than a century ago women couldn't vote. 2 centuries ago black people were slaves and were considered Three-Fifths of a human being.

    We move forward. We're slow, but we get there.

    Gay marriage will be no different. Just like racism must be taught in order to be learned, so must intolerance and homophobia. As younger generations take over our country they'll care less and less about whether or not gays and lesbians marry. It will eventually become a non-issue.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

    This just defies logic. Do you really believe that the majority of people in their 70's favored gay marriage when they were in their 20's-40's and changed their views as they aged?
    I doubt it seriously.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But go forward one generation Navy and you will see that they are not quite as stubborn as your old folkie lodge brothers. People in their 50's and 60's are more tolerant than those in their 70's...

    Also, I would suspect that some of your intolerant lodge buddies are probably more tolerant than they are willing to admit among their macho lodge brothers.
    People in their 70's and 80's haven't been exposed to gay people as much as younger people....that is why education is key to changing attitudes.


    You just don't know and you ignore all the facts....Like I said you are right about very young people but unfortunately for you they grow up and realize the error of their ways....There are few exceptions like you and other liberals but you are vastly outnumbered...

    Its just like that election in Mass. where Dems outnumbered Republicans 3 to 1 and yet they got routed in thate election by independents and Republicans..

    You are in big trouble my left wing friend.......Its a shame that you can't see it..........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This just defies logic. Do you really believe that the majority of people in their 70's favored gay marriage when they were in their 20's-40's and changed their views as they aged?
    I doubt it seriously.
    Of vourse they did not go out and promote it but they did not fight it either........They blieved in live and let live...........Then they grew wiser and learned the ramifications of gay marriage.....
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You just don't know and you ignore all the facts....Like I said you are right about very young people but unfortunately for you they grow up and realize the error of their ways....There are few exceptions like you and other liberals but you are vastly outnumbered...

    Its just like that election in Mass. where Dems outnumbered Republicans 3 to 1 and yet they got routed in thate election by independents and Republicans..

    You are in big trouble my left wing friend.......Its a shame that you can't see it..........

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    If you could show that your old generation favored gay marriage when they were younger, but rejected it as they aged...then your argument might hold water.

    The reality...it doesnt. The numbers don't support your position.

    Your generation has always been against gay rights...just as the younger generations will likely not changed their views with age either.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Of vourse they did not go out and promote it but they did not fight it either........They blieved in live and let live...........Then they grew wiser and learned the ramifications of gay marriage.....
    Absolutely they did. The attitudes of your generation towards gays has always been towards fighting any attempts at gays to enjoy the same rights that you do. Don't even try and pretend that your generation has a history of anything else.
    The history of your generation has been towards fighting equal civil rights for anyone.
    The younger generations have not grown up in a culture of intolerance like yours did.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    As stated above, the entire history of the US has been to expand civil rights over time, not remove them.

    I know some of you don't like the fact that people you don't like will end up being treated as equal to you, but (shrug) that's the way it always is, and people who want to deny rights to others always lose. Always.

    It's going to happen. Might as well get used to it. Maybe you'll even realize the error of your ways along the way, and become a nicer person for it.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait a minute, I am a veteran, and I think gay marriage should be encouraged. I am far from the only one who thinks that.
    When I spoke of veterans I meant older retired veterans.........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Of vourse they did not go out and promote it but they did not fight it either........They blieved in live and let live...........Then they grew wiser and learned the ramifications of gay marriage.....
    And what might those be?


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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    And what might those be
    The complete and utter destruction of Western Civilization.....don't you know that by now...

    In all seriousness though...the ramifications are that people will be able to decide who they want to marry, not who the government says they can marry. It decreases the role of government in the day to day lives of its citizens and many big-government social types don't like the idea of that type of freedom.
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