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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because you are failing to understand on so many levels Navy:

    1. First of all....Constitutional rights should never be put to a popular vote.
    Can you imagine how different civil rights would be in this country if the rights had been put to a popular vote.

    2. Even IF it is put to a popular vote, the shift in numbers is astounding and indicative that gay marriage is on the horizon. Yes, Navy, you are correct that when put to a popular vote, the voters have been against it. But the BIG BIG BIG thing that you are missing is look at the numbers of those elections. The shift has been dramatic and is changing rapidly.
    Where 10 years ago gay marriage was losing by 30-40 points. Today it is losing by 4-5 points. You are in complete denial if you fail to recognize that outdated discriminatory views are soon to be a thing of the past.

    Even old Farts like you Navy (and I say that endearingly....)...are changing their attitudes. I think even you are capable of embracing that which is fair and right over time, despite your stubborness.

    When you have older conservative Republican mayors realizing that they were wrong on the issue and changing course, it gives me hope that even you will come to that realization in your lifetime. I sincerely, hope that you will...because I think down deep you really are more caring and understanding than your old ways are allowing you to be.
    Come to the meeting at one of my lodges and ask the members how they feel about the issue or better yet go to one of the lodges (VFW, FRA, etc and put the question to them.....They won't beat you up or anything like that but they will definitely let you know how they feel about the issue......You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill They use to hid but many are out noy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I know gay vets your age that have been with their partners s since their military days.
    And your point is?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill They use to hid but many are out noy

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    And your point is?
    They are not afraid of coming out now. And I'm very proud of my Uncle's service.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am one of those aging Americans and I can tell you that is wrong........I associate with many veterans in the clubs I belong to, American Legion, Fleet Reserve, VFW, and to a man most of them at best think gay marriage is wrong and at worse think its a joke............
    Wait a minute, I am a veteran, and I think gay marriage should be encouraged. I am far from the only one who thinks that.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill They use to hid but many are out noy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    They are not afraid of coming out now. And I'm very proud of my Uncle's service.


    Good for you and who said they were....There are many good gay people that served in the military honorably....I still want to know what the **** your point is?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Come to the meeting at one of my lodges and ask the members how they feel about the issue or better yet go to one of the lodges (VFW, FRA, etc and put the question to them.....They won't beat you up or anything like that but they will definitely let you know how they feel about the issue......You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........

    But go forward one generation Navy and you will see that they are not quite as stubborn as your old folkie lodge brothers. People in their 50's and 60's are more tolerant than those in their 70's...

    Also, I would suspect that some of your intolerant lodge buddies are probably more tolerant than they are willing to admit among their macho lodge brothers.
    People in their 70's and 80's haven't been exposed to gay people as much as younger people....that is why education is key to changing attitudes.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait a minute, I am a veteran, and I think gay marriage should be encouraged. I am far from the only one who thinks that.
    You are #1 a girl, #2 a Liberal, and most importantly white, so you don't count. Get used to your second class citizenship. You will be much happier for it.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........
    And younger people are in favor of gay marriage. And since older people have a nasty habit of dying sooner... You do the math.

    Gay marriage is inevitable.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    And younger people are in favor of gay marriage. And since older people have a nasty habit of dying sooner... You do the math.

    Gay marriage is inevitable.
    And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

    That is not accurate. 100 years ago, gays where relatively unknown and people where not so much anti-gay, as it was not something they ever thought about. The situation has changed significantly today, and almost every one knows at least one gay person, most know more than one. This is a large part of the reason for attitudes changing to my mind.
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