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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Indeed, look at NJ. They have all the benefits, as you said. So, continuing to fight for equality did not deprive them of gaining some relief under the law. The gay community was able to achieve much in that regard, and at the same time was not prevented from continuing with the cause.

    NJ seems to give lie to your argument that nothing is accomplished while fighting for full marriage rights.
    No, what happened in NJ supported my argument. I live in the state. The issue was to get full marital rights under the civil union descriptor. That's what happened and what won. If the word "marriage" had been included, it would have lost... as it did in the OP's article. This demonstrates my point neatly.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Seriously, Dude.....have you looked at her voting record? Perhaps you should, rather than relying on what Hannity and Beck tell you. You might learn something about what a "moderate" and a "liberal" are if you actually did a little reading on her record.
    A moderate is a liberal just not far left like some are

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It has never been normal it has always been rare by a small group of people
    You are seriously missing the point. Just because someone may be in the "minority" doesn't make them abnormal.

    Do you view racial minorities as "abnormal" as well? I think the answer is obvious based on your previous responses here.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It has never been normal it has always been rare by a small group of people
    You are talking about average. DEFINE NORMAL.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    A moderate is a liberal just not far left like some are
    I guess that is true....a moderate is a "liberal" if you are on the extreme right.
    Anything left of you would be "liberal".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've already asked you to substantiate your claim here which you have not done. I'm waiting.
    You have not showed how it is false so it must be true or you would show proof.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Let me give you a clue. Just because a person may be in the 93%....they don't necessarily view those in the 7% as "abnormal"....thats a mistaken assumption that you are drawing.
    Minority is not normal especially such a small minority.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are talking about average. DEFINE NORMAL.
    Possibly it could be normal for a gay person to be gay? Just like it is normal for a straight person to be straight?

    Or a cat to be a a cat or a dog to be a dog?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Again, you have defined average. You have not defined NORMAL. Try again.
    not average a minority.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    This is what often happens in these debates. ptif219 is going to continue to ignore that he is discussing average, not normal, because he knows that if he DOES discuss normal, his position will be destroyed... easily.

    Tell us ptif219. Is left-handedness normal? Is being black normal? Is having red hair normal? Remember, we are talking about NORMAL, not average. Please enlighten us.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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