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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Does SCOTUS decide for all of humanity what their rights are?
    The SCOTUS turns down about 80% of the cases that come to them...If you throw out that radical left wing circuit court in San Francisco its even more.......
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    This is fairly basic, we're discussing "fundamental human rights."

    Is the first thing you think of really the US Supreme Court?
    As an American human being, yes.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Plain and simple..you are wrong. You really should pick up a book on government.
    I could teach you government, you're very weak here.

    The three branches of the government were designed to be equal.
    The Power of the Judicial Branch: The Federalist Number 78 and the Anti-Federalist 78, Marbury v. Madison, Landmark Supreme Court Cases

    It proves incontestably, that the judiciary is beyond comparison the weakest of the three departments of power
    And you remember I spoke to judicial review?

    Constitutional Issues - Separation of Powers

    In the early national period, the judiciary was the weakest of the three branches of government. When Chief Justice John Marshall established the principle of judicial review in MarburyMadison by declaring an act of Congress unconstitutional, he greatly strengthened the judiciary. Even though the high court exercised this prerogative only one other time prior to the Civil War (Dred Scott v. Sanford), the establishment of judicial review made the judiciary more of an equal player with the executive and legislative branches.
    The SCOTUS has ALWAYS existed to define and determine rights granted under the constitution.
    So....what right in our Constitution was defined by the Court?

    ops

    You may think you know what you are talking about, but reality you need to educate yourself a little before you pretend to be a know-it-all.
    Just gave you two links showing you the court was designed as the weakest branch, showed you plainly how it gathered equality as time passed, Roosevelt even increasing the number of judges.

    Sorry, DD. Your initial statement was wrong, the court does not define our rights, it interprets the law and reviews cases based on individual rights We the People defined and wrote into law. You're wrong.

    Furthermore, your statement I was wrong...is in error.

    Look to the Constitution:

    All amendments and articles are passed by Congress. Article 3 defines the judiciary. SO here we have...We the People defining the entire judiciary and if you'll note as I continue to destroy you argument.......

    Article III | LII / Legal Information Institute

    Article III
    Section 1.
    The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

    Section 2.
    The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
    See rights defined? No...that's because the Constitution defines the judiciary and it's scope of cases extended.

    Our rights written and defined by We the People, the judiciary itself defned by We the People.

    Next.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Ouch. Disney please, let this one go.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    I find it ironic that conservatives can take issue with Marbury versus Madison but support the Defense of Marriage Act. If conservatives really cared about the Constitution, then they would demand that DOMA be repealed and would leave same sex marriage as a state issue. But no, they have to form national organizations to tackle the issue of marriage in each state and fully support DOMA's blatant disregard for the Ful Faiths and Credit Clause. The discrepancy is laughable. Just like religious nuts and the Bible, conservatives simply cherry pick what parts of the Constitution they want to follow.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I find it ironic that conservatives can take issue with Marbury versus Madison but support the Defense of Marriage Act. If conservatives really cared about the Constitution, then they would demand that DOMA be repealed and would leave same sex marriage as a state issue. But no, they have to form national organizations to tackle the issue of marriage in each state and fully support DOMA's blatant disregard for the Ful Faiths and Credit Clause. The discrepancy is laughable. Just like religious nuts and the Bible, conservatives simply cherry pick what parts of the Constitution they want to follow.
    That's because social conservativism finds itself in direct opposition to most of the tenets of the Constitution. The Constitution is framed around an idea of limiting the government in the personal lives and decisions of the people while social conservativism is framed around the concept of using the government to beat the people over the head with puritanical moral disapproval.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I find it ironic that conservatives can take issue with Marbury versus Madison but support the Defense of Marriage Act. If conservatives really cared about the Constitution, then they would demand that DOMA be repealed and would leave same sex marriage as a state issue.
    Humorous your..."if Conservatives really care...then.....". It's the classic if/then statement process. Wholly transparent.

    But no, they have to form national organizations to tackle the issue of marriage in each state and fully support DOMA's blatant disregard for the Ful Faiths and Credit Clause.
    What Constitution hating President signed DOMA into law?

    Oops.

    There is no discrepancy, same sex marriage we don't consider full faith and credit for obvious reasons. Your sexual behavior isn't applicable.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Humorous your..."if Conservatives really care...then.....". It's the classic if/then statement process. Wholly transparent.



    What Constitution hating President signed DOMA into law?

    Oops.

    There is no discrepancy, same sex marriage we don't consider full faith and credit for obvious reasons. Your sexual behavior isn't applicable.
    Neither is yours. Yet you fully expect your marriage in one state to be recognized in another...just like any contract. Full faith and credit is part of what makes this a cohesive union. The Constitution demands it.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    What Constitution hating President signed DOMA into law?.
    If challenged in the SCOTUS do you think DOMA can hold up?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Neither is yours.
    Granted.

    Yet you fully expect your marriage in one state to be recognized in another...just like any contract.
    What utter nonsense. Should I choose to marry another man....or my cousin....I don't expect that to be recognized. And I don't consider it "like any other contract, it's obviously NOT like any other contract.

    I happen to be married now. Should any state approve polygamy and I take another wife.....I wouldn't expect any other state to recognize. What say you allow me to take my own policy positions and stop guessing, you're not even close.

    Full faith and credit is part of what makes this a cohesive union. The Constitution demands it.
    And why if it comes to a conflict, I would support a marriage amendment defining exactly what is it and then...the issue is closed. However, for today, I'll have to consistently agree with Critical Thought that this should be a state by state issue decided upon by either referendum or some legislative endeavor, either way, We the People define the institution, not a court or exec.
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