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Thread: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The SCOTUS has recognized the right to marry as a fundamental human right.
    Does SCOTUS decide for all of humanity what their rights are?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Here's an idea.
    A secular marriage is a contract. Discover the paragraph in the US commercial code that says two men or two women cannot enter into a contract.

    Then get back to me on how they don't have the right to get married.
    I'm lost. We were discussing whether or not marriage was a "fundamental human right," and you point to US Commercial Code? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

    What I said was, to clarify your reading deficiencies, is that no one has a right to a bride, ie, it's not the taxpayer's job to provide you with a love puppet. Ya gotta find your own. No one can sue the state because they weren't issued their girlfriend.
    People don't have a right to a bride, I agree. Incidentally, I don't believe they have a right to marry the bride either.

    Ownership is the right.
    Which goes to prove how un-right-like "marriage" is! Ownership of "xyz" properly purchased is your right. However you and I both agree that I can't automatically have ownership. Apply that to marriage and you realize it's ridiculous to say your not "entitled" to a house deed but your definitely "entitled" to a marriage contract.

    The "right to life" is the guarantee that you won't be murdered under government sanction and that the government will act to punish your killer if you are murdered.
    Try to follow me on this one...

    If a government actively undermines your ability to make money and purchase food, purchases that you must make so that you may live, isn't that violating that right? Even if you don't die of starvation, isn't that similar to attempted murder?

    Just because our government doesn't bomb where one works, doesn't mean taxes effectively destroys it. In that same thread, I feel it is utterly ridiculous for one to put "fixing" marriage, above "fixing" life.


    No one has a right to a "fulfilled" life.
    Unless it requires the word "marriage," at which point you'll risk life, limb and property to provide them with that fulfillment?

    Everything you list is the obligation of the individual to attain, not society to provide.
    Some would say the same thing about love.
    Last edited by Areopagitican; 01-21-10 at 12:17 AM.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Does SCOTUS decide for all of humanity what their rights are?
    No, they decide for United States citizens what their rights are using the Constitution as the standard. This is elementary civics.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, they decide for United States citizens what their rights are using the Constitution as the standard. This is elementary civics.
    That is exactly why I was confused about Disneydude's post.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    That is exactly why I was confused about Disneydude's post.
    I'm not sure what's so confusing about it considering this is a conversation about marriage rights within the United States.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not sure what's so confusing about it considering this is a conversation about marriage rights within the United States.
    I'm certain you read the phrase "fundamental human right," somewhere?

    It's one thing to say it is a right within the United States, but another to say it encompasses more.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    I'm certain you read the phrase "fundamental human right," somewhere?

    It's one thing to say it is a right within the United States, but another to say it encompasses more.
    I think you may be confused as to the context and the the application of "fundamental" in this instance.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Does SCOTUS decide for all of humanity what their rights are?
    No. Just those of us who live in the United States.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No. Just those of us who live in the United States.
    Silly me, here I was thinking government, including our judiciary, governs at the consent of the governed. How on earth did We the People "decide" what our rights were before the Supreme Court was created?

    The Bill of Rights Gentlemen...was decided upon by the Supreme Court?

    Heavens to Mergatroid, is there a history book in your home, Disney?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Silly me, here I was thinking government, including our judiciary, governs at the consent of the governed. How on earth did We the People "decide" what our rights were before the Supreme Court was created?

    The Bill of Rights Gentlemen...was decided upon by the Supreme Court?

    Heavens to Mergatroid, is there a history book in your home, Disney?
    If you think the "Bill of rights" is the only rights the Constitution consists of...I think it is YOU who needs a history or civics book.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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