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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    To compare the hardships that blacks had to go through to gays is a cop out and insult to every black person who has lived in this country and you know it........
    The plights are different, but the fight for rights is the same. Inequality and discrimination is inequality and discrimination.

    Until all of my brothers and sisters share the same rights and privileges as everyone else, America is not truly a free country.

    I try to live my life accordings to the teachings of Christ....and to me his strongest message is this:


    "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Progress"?

    Denying civil rights is progress?

    Embracing bigotry is progress?

    Limiting freedom is progress?

    OH! I get it, you use the word "progress" like the self-annointed Progressives do, to mean repression and oppression and control by the elites and interference in private lives.
    When the country is at 17%+ employment and is facing a tidal wave of red ink, which undermines the very future of all individuals. It's hardly becoming to spend so much time and energy on "ending bigotry" and "defending freedom." Especially when they're thrown around like the butt-end of a thousand cocktail parties.

    Are marriage licenses "progress?" Or is it progress to hold a deed on a house? Is it "progress" to give people the security of "equality," but not the security of a job? When has freedom become an expletive thrown against heterosexuals, and not a rallying cry for economic prosperity?

    The Gay "Marriage," debate is everything that is wrong with the country. The small things are amplified over the big things, the small "oppression" is put above real matters.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    1. The people are the state........

    2. I do not accept the comparison between gays and blacks in the struggle for rights and think its and insult to do so.............

    3. Have you been reading the thead at all?
    It's not a civil right to get married to the consenting adult of your choice?

    I can't imagine why not.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    When the country is at 17%+ employment and is facing a tidal wave of red ink, which undermines the very future of all individuals. It's hardly becoming to spend so much time and energy on "ending bigotry" and "defending freedom." Especially when they're thrown around like the butt-end of a thousand cocktail parties.

    Are marriage licenses "progress?" Or is it progress to hold a deed on a house? Is it "progress" to give people the security of "equality," but not the security of a job? When has freedom become an expletive thrown against heterosexuals, and not a rallying cry for economic prosperity?

    The Gay "Marriage," debate is everything that is wrong with the country. The small things are amplified over the big things, the small "oppression" is put above real matters.

    Wow...I never want to live in an America where fundamental human right are not considered "real matters".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wow...I never want to live in an America where fundamental human right are not considered "real matters".
    A "fundamental human right," in my humble opinion, cannot be applied to more than one individual. There is no "human right," to marriage or even companionship.

    In any event: is food, clothing and shelter not similarly applicable? You say it's a fundamental human right to be married. But how can one "be" with no job, no house and living on food stamps? Is that really your priority?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    When the country is at 17%+ employment and is facing a tidal wave of red ink, which undermines the very future of all individuals. It's hardly becoming to spend so much time and energy on "ending bigotry" and "defending freedom." Especially when they're thrown around like the butt-end of a thousand cocktail parties.

    Are marriage licenses "progress?" Or is it progress to hold a deed on a house? Is it "progress" to give people the security of "equality," but not the security of a job? When has freedom become an expletive thrown against heterosexuals, and not a rallying cry for economic prosperity?

    The Gay "Marriage," debate is everything that is wrong with the country. The small things are amplified over the big things, the small "oppression" is put above real matters.

    Since unemployment is more important than impeding someone's right to get married, why are people wasting time protecting their non-existent right to interfere in someone else's wedding? Why aren't they standing aside so the politicians can get back to doing real work?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    A "fundamental human right," in my humble opinion, cannot be applied to more than one individual. There is no "human right," to marriage or even companionship.
    There's no right to finding a spouse, but once you manage that, it's not a right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    In any event: is food, clothing and shelter not similarly applicable?
    A right does not cost money.

    Don't babble about filing fees and court costs, you're perfectly aware of what I mean.


    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    You say it's a fundamental human right to be married. But how can one "be" with no job, no house and living on food stamps? Is that really your priority?
    Work on your sentence structure. With practice you will start to make sense reliably.

    Example: How can one "be"...what?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    There's no right to finding a spouse, but once you manage that, it's not a right to marry?
    You're really willing to split hairs like that? It's a right to have the right to marry, but not actually marriage itself? It's like saying you have the right to vote, but not actually voting itself!

    A right does not cost money.

    Don't babble about filing fees and court costs, you're perfectly aware of what I mean.
    Property is a right, yes? Life is a right? Everything costs money.


    Work on your sentence structure. With practice you will start to make sense reliably.

    Example: How can one "be"...what?
    I tried to get my point across uniquely, and I'll try again.

    To have a fulfilled life, what comes first? A job, a house and affluence or marriage?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    A "fundamental human right," in my humble opinion, cannot be applied to more than one individual. There is no "human right," to marriage or even companionship.

    In any event: is food, clothing and shelter not similarly applicable? You say it's a fundamental human right to be married. But how can one "be" with no job, no house and living on food stamps? Is that really your priority?

    The SCOTUS has recognized the right to marry as a fundamental human right.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    You're really willing to split hairs like that? It's a right to have the right to marry, but not actually marriage itself? It's like saying you have the right to vote, but not actually voting itself!
    Here's an idea.

    A secular marriage is a contract. Discover the paragraph in the US commercial code that says two men or two women cannot enter into a contract.

    Then get back to me on how they don't have the right to get married.

    What I said was, to clarify your reading deficiencies, is that no one has a right to a bride, ie, it's not the taxpayer's job to provide you with a love puppet. Ya gotta find your own. No one can sue the state because they weren't issued their girlfriend.

    Once you find it, there's no reason you can't marry it, even if your um...."firmware" is similar to your new friend's.




    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Property is a right, yes?
    No.

    Ownership is the right.

    Acquiring the property is your problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Life is a right?
    No.

    Everyone dies.

    The "right to life" is the guarantee that you won't be murdered under government sanction and that the government will act to punish your killer if you are murdered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Everything costs money.
    And no one has a right to claim another's money unless services are rendered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    I tried to get my point across uniquely, and I'll try again.

    To have a fulfilled life, what comes first? A job, a house and affluence or marriage?
    No one has a right to a "fulfilled" life.

    Many lives end miserably with nothing of note accomplished.

    Everything you list is the obligation of the individual to attain, not society to provide.

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