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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You lost me on that one...............
    Since the People, ie, the state, does not have an interest in controlling who marries who, then the state has no basis for assuming such control, or rather, maintaining it.

    Martin Luther King didn't march to establish the right of black people to sit at the front of the bus. Those people marched for freedom.

    If gays want to get married, then "civil unioning" them isn't going to cut it, and shouldn't be accepted.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    At what point does this end? This isn't some backwards southern state, this is New Jersey. The whole country is opposed to Gay "Marriage," but it keeps on going. How many defeats before America puts this issue behind itself, and resumes the path of progress?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    At what point does this end? This isn't some backwards southern state, this is New Jersey. The whole country is opposed to Gay "Marriage," but it keeps on going. How many defeats before America puts this issue behind itself, and resumes the path of progress?
    "Progress"?

    Denying civil rights is progress?

    Embracing bigotry is progress?

    Limiting freedom is progress?

    OH! I get it, you use the word "progress" like the self-annointed Progressives do, to mean repression and oppression and control by the elites and interference in private lives.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not going to attribute that to the whole right wing because I am rather right wing myself. However, as long as the "family values" charlatans have their cult following of fanatics and inbreds screaming and caterwauling over Adam and Steve getting their gay freak on, then you have to worry about constant litigation, rights being held in limbo, and constant social conflict.
    Maybe it is how we define right-wing, but I don't put you anywhere near what I define the right-wing as. For the most part, your views are fairly moderate, by my standards. Although I often disagree with you, I don't find you to be extremist at all.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since the People, ie, the state, does not have an interest in controlling who marries who, then the state has no basis for assuming such control, or rather, maintaining it.

    Martin Luther King didn't march to establish the right of black people to sit at the front of the bus. Those people marched for freedom.

    If gays want to get married, then "civil unioning" them isn't going to cut it, and shouldn't be accepted.
    1. The people are the state........

    2. I do not accept the comparison between gays and blacks in the struggle for rights and think its and insult to do so.............

    3. Have you been reading the thead at all?
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Civil Unions are very different from marriage.........
    and THAT is exactly why civil unions will NEVER be acceptable.

    Our nation promises "Liberty and Justice for ALL"....not just Some.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    and THAT is exactly why civil unions will NEVER be acceptable.

    Our nation promises "Liberty and Justice for ALL"....not just Some.
    They are different but for the purpose of rights they are equal.........
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    and THAT is exactly why civil unions will NEVER be acceptable.

    Our nation promises "Liberty and Justice for ALL"....not just Some.
    They are already acceptable to many gays........
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They are already acceptable to many gays........
    I'm sure there were many blacks that were ok with a ban on inter-racial marriage. It didn't make it right.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm sure there were many blacks that were ok with a ban on inter-racial marriage. It didn't make it right.
    To compare the hardships that blacks had to go through to gays is a cop out and insult to every black person who has lived in this country and you know it........
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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