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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It must be hell for you here in DP Groucho as compared to WS where all the members lean to the far left......You actually can have a debate in DP...
    I obviously love a debate and am pleased to be here. And, so far, I have only had a problem with one person here.

    I have to conclude that this person consistently pretends I have said something else and then argues against that instead for one of three reasons:

    1. He doesn't know he's doing it. In other words, he is sincere in his attempts to debate, just incompetent at it.

    2. He knows he's doing it and does it consciously because he thinks it's a valid debate technique. This is dishonest, especially when he later claims he won the argument.

    3. He knows what he's doing and doesn't care and is just a troll trying to make people angry. This is juvenile and the way to deal with juveniles who play like that is to ignore them.

    I mean, come on -- I argue for a living. I get paid to argue. I know how to have a debate and never shy away from them. If I am walking away, it's because it's a useless fight and a waste of time. It is not any sort of concession, as proved when I continued the debate with others in the same thread.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No one talks about brother and sister marrying in this debate but you have no qualms about bringing that up every chance you get.

    What's good for the goose...
    I may be no one but I am talking about it.....You better believe that family members living together would love the benefits that marrried couples get simply by getting married........There would be other groups like two men and two women, or one women and three men............If gays were allowed to marry all kind of groups would come out of the woodwork.......

    You and I have talked before and I thought you agreed with me on civil unions with full benefits and that the "bleeding heart liberal" that are looking all the time looking for a cause to make themselves feel good would just shut up because they are hurting your cause for civil unions........At least that is what my friend on our golf team who is gay feels.........

    I guess you changed your mind on the issue and are ging with the Liberals........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I may be no one but I am talking about it.....You better believe that family members living together would love the benefits that marrried couples get simply by getting married........There would be other groups like two men and two women, or one women and three men............If gays were allowed to marry all kind of groups would come out of the woodwork.......

    You and I have talked before and I thought you agreed with me on civil unions with full benefits and that the "bleeding heart liberal" that are looking all the time looking for a cause to make themselves feel good would just shut up because they are hurting your cause for civil unions........At least that is what my friend on our golf team who is gay feels.........

    I guess you changed your mind on the issue and are ging with the Liberals........
    Yes Navy....some people actually do open their minds. You might want to try it sometime.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I obviously love a debate and am pleased to be here. And, so far, I have only had a problem with one person here.

    I have to conclude that this person consistently pretends I have said something else and then argues against that instead for one of three reasons:

    1. He doesn't know he's doing it. In other words, he is sincere in his attempts to debate, just incompetent at it.

    2. He knows he's doing it and does it consciously because he thinks it's a valid debate technique. This is dishonest, especially when he later claims he won the argument.

    3. He knows what he's doing and doesn't care and is just a troll trying to make people angry. This is juvenile and the way to deal with juveniles who play like that is to ignore them.

    I mean, come on -- I argue for a living. I get paid to argue. I know how to have a debate and never shy away from them. If I am walking away, it's because it's a useless fight and a waste of time. It is not any sort of concession, as proved when I continued the debate with others in the same thread.
    Waaah. Every time you get put in a difficult postion, you pull the cry card out. You're not fooling anyone.

    If you think I'm misrepresenting you, then explain exactly how and make me look like an idiot. Throwing a tantrum only makes YOU appear thusly. But that's up to you.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I may be no one but I am talking about it.....You better believe that family members living together would love the benefits that marrried couples get simply by getting married........There would be other groups like two men and two women, or one women and three men............If gays were allowed to marry all kind of groups would come out of the woodwork.......

    You and I have talked before and I thought you agreed with me on civil unions with full benefits and that the "bleeding heart liberal" that are looking all the time looking for a cause to make themselves feel good would just shut up because they are hurting your cause for civil unions........At least that is what my friend on our golf team who is gay feels.........

    I guess you changed your mind on the issue and are ging with the Liberals........
    I am going with what's right. It took quite a while for me to see the error in my thought but what happened here in California pretty much did it for me. If the "pro family values" crowd had an ounce of morality among them, you would still see me right in the middle with your friend. However, they exposed themselves as opportunistic extremists that make up in fanaticism what they lack in dignity and nobility.

    And besides, Chief, you have lived long enough to know that being against the idea of "separate but equal" is historically a conservative concept.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am going with what's right. It took quite a while for me to see the error in my thought but what happened here in California pretty much did it for me. If the "pro family values" crowd had an ounce of morality among them, you would still see me right in the middle with your friend. However, they exposed themselves as opportunistic extremists that make up in fanaticism what they lack in dignity and nobility.

    And besides, Chief, you have lived long enough to know that being against the idea of "separate but equal" is historically a conservative concept.
    If only the rest of America saw the deceitful and hateful campaign that the right-wing ran on prop-8 in California. They were desperate and resorted to whatever means it took.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes Navy....some people actually do open their minds. You might want to try it sometime.
    Pot meet kettle.........Give me a break........No question I am very partisan but you are the biggest left winger in DP now that 26 Champs was banned with the biggest closed mind......Sometimes I actually think you are him by your arguments......
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Pot meet kettle.........Give me a break........No question I am very partisan but you are the biggest left winger in DP now that 26 Champs was banned with the biggest closed mind......Sometimes I actually think you are him by your arguments......
    Navy...I refuse to believe that you are beyond hope. Even an old mind can be opened with a little education.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am going with what's right. It took quite a while for me to see the error in my thought but what happened here in California pretty much did it for me. If the "pro family values" crowd had an ounce of morality among them, you would still see me right in the middle with your friend. However, they exposed themselves as opportunistic extremists that make up in fanaticism what they lack in dignity and nobility.

    And besides, Chief, you have lived long enough to know that being against the idea of "separate but equal" is historically a conservative concept.
    You do know there are thousands of people out there like me who want gays to have the same rights as married people but are geting turned off by the "Feel Good" liberals like Disney Dude and are beginning to say the hell with them......People have the rock solid beliefs on marriage.......Some day maybe 100 years down the road you might get marriage but you are not going to get it now.........

    As far as California goes you know more about it then I do but I think people just got pissed off when they vote to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman and activist judges over rule the will of the people.......You keep going against what the majority wants in California you are only going to hurt the cause for civil unions with full benefits...........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You do know there are thousands of people out there like me who want gays to have the same rights as married people but are geting turned off by the "Feel Good" liberals like Disney Dude and are beginning to say the hell with them......People have the rock solid beliefs on marriage.......Some day maybe 100 years down the road you might get marriage but you are not going to get it now.........

    As far as California goes you know more about it then I do but I think people just got pissed off when they vote to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman and activist judges over rule the will of the people.......You keep going against what the majority wants in California you are only going to hurt the cause for civil unions with full benefits...........
    Why wait 100 years to do what is the right thing to do?

    I know that some people hate change...but for America to truly be a great nation, discrimination must end.
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