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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Charles is right. Thats my argument.

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    Wow. You just lost in amazing color.

    You my friend just made a moral judgment, no different than people who make moral judgments against homosexual marriage.

    Welcome to the club

    And another moral judgment! You are certainly on a roll.
    Why am I not allowed to make moral judgments? I've argued both sides of the same sex marriage debate, and the reason and evidence lies with the same sex marriage side, but you guys only care about your own little moral judgments. So I'll make one.

    Polygamy is inherently degrading to society. Same sex marriage is not. Evidence and reason can tell you that much.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    Not surprising just a week after New Jersey showed gays the civil union door, there have been over a thousand posts here on the resulting thread. Read through a few and its the same advocates putting forth same statements just like they did after we defeated them here in California.

    The legal difference, taxations, and public social benefits between homosexual civil unions and heterosexual marriage may be equivalent in many states now, however it is important that they are not called the same thing. There are large numbers Christians who believe what their Bible says about the seriousness of marriage as directed by God. That God condemned a number of taboos as grave abominations including incest, adultery, and specifically men laying with men or women with women. To equate any of these taboo behaviors considered abominations to something we consider so important as marriage will never ever be acceptable to us despite how many liberal judges, politicians, or media personalities try to force such down our throats because the Bible is everlasting.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why am I not allowed to make moral judgments? I've argued both sides of the same sex marriage debate, and the reason and evidence lies with the same sex marriage side, but you guys only care about your own little moral judgments. So I'll make one.
    Of course you can make moral judgments. But you just dont get the hypocrisy do you? You are arguing for gay marriage based on a moral not factual argument while belittling many who make the same moral argument against gay marriage.

    Polygamy is inherently degrading to society. Same sex marriage is not. Evidence and reason can tell you that much.
    Those are opinions not facts.

    Unless you are prepared to provide factual evidence that polygamy is degrading to a society just for starters you'd best retract your moral statement.
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    I would like to find a non religious person just once who is against same sex marriage. And I don't mean someone who is against all civilly recognized marriage, but someone who is just against same sex marriage who has no religion.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I would like to find a non religious person just once who is against same sex marriage. And I don't mean someone who is against all civilly recognized marriage, but someone who is just against same sex marriage who has no religion.

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    You've found one. My religion plays zero bearing into my stance against gay marriage.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You've found one. My religion plays zero bearing into my stance against gay marriage.
    You are religious. You have made religious arguments in other threads.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are religious. You have made religious arguments in other threads.
    Do you have trouble reading what I said?

    My religion has zero bearing on my stance against gay marriage.


    To claim just because I am religious it must have bearing on my stance against gay marriage is another non factual based claim you are making.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why am I not allowed to make moral judgments? I've argued both sides of the same sex marriage debate, and the reason and evidence lies with the same sex marriage side, but you guys only care about your own little moral judgments. So I'll make one.

    Polygamy is inherently degrading to society. Same sex marriage is not. Evidence and reason can tell you that much.
    There are a lot of people who don't agree with you..........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Of course you can make moral judgments. But you just dont get the hypocrisy do you? You are arguing for gay marriage based on a moral not factual argument while belittling many who make the same moral argument against gay marriage.
    I'm sinking to your level. Now we can see eye to eye.

    Those are opinions not facts.
    Says you. I've provided countless pieces of evidence that same sex marriage is beneficial to society. You guys simply ignore it. So I'll just state it until you either address the evidence I've presented or you prove me wrong, but we both know you will do neither.

    Unless you are prepared to provide factual evidence that polygamy is degrading to a society just for starters you'd best retract your moral statement.
    You never provide factual evidence that same sex marriage is degrading to society. Why should I have to when you never do? But I found this to be a pretty good argument about polygamy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Actually, polygamy/polyandry are inherently destabilizing in a society with roughly equal numbers of men and women. Marriage has salutary effects on poverty, the emotional and social stability of society, and the creation of families. We have very little to help us organize society around plural marriages and in those places where it's practiced, the situations are unstable.

    In actual practice, plural marriages are only sociologically functional among the very wealthy and in societies where the number of men and women is seriously skewed by war, starvation, or other causes.
    ...its about as good of evidence as you guys ever present to support your case.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Do you have trouble reading what I said?

    My religion has zero bearing on my stance against gay marriage.


    To claim just because I am religious it must have bearing on my stance against gay marriage is another non factual based claim you are making.
    Bull. The first thing a religious person would want everyone to believe when it comes to a religious issue is that their religion has no bearing on what they believe. But feel free to make your non religious argument.

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