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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What change? Gays have been getting married ever since their were gays.
    Then there is no problem.........Tell DD that please..thanks........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Doesn't answer the question:

    Were you able to marry the person that you love, the person that you were sexually attracted to and the person that you CHOSE to spend the rest of your life with?

    If so, you have more rights than you are willing to extend to your fellow brothers and sisters simply because they are gay.
    Nope I like marriage just like it is..........If gays want to change it then get the people to approve the change..........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nope I like marriage just like it is..........If gays want to change it then get the people to approve the change..........
    Still avoiding the question?

    Perhaps it is because by admitting the question you are admitting that you feel entitled to special rights and do not want to extend those same rights to others.

    Sorry Navy...but Gay people do not have the same rights that you have. You have proven that by your silence on the question.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is stupid. Show the language. Show that. Show that an interracial marriage was not considered a marriage at all.

    It wasn't allowed before the definition was changed
    There was no such thing as inter-racial marriage because it was illegal...just like gay marriage in many states.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why are you dodging this question? I have not asked it of you before, or any variation of it, nor have I seen you explain this. It was not meant disrespectfully, only wanting to understand your mindset.
    I am not dodging it. I have answered it so many times it is getting stupid.

    And 3 or four pages from now someone will jump in and ask the same question again. So if you want my answer you can wade through the other posts.

    Nothing disrespectful taken, just tired of answering the same questions over and over.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It wasn't allowed before the definition was changed
    OK. So you can't actually show any documentation of this actual different definition of marriage from the day. Got it.


    There was no such thing as inter-racial marriage because it was illegal...just like gay marriage in many states.
    That doesn't mean the definition of marriage itself was different. It only disqualified certain people from entering into it with other people.

    Today, there are people who can't legally marry -- relatives, people who are already married to someone else, people too young or incompetent. A racial bar to marriage is exactly the same thing -- a restriction, not a definition. A restriction that the Loving court found to be, unlike those other things, irrelevant to the institution. But the definition was not changed.

    So no, the argument is not exactly the same. I know it's easier to bring up the bugaboo of "it's exactly like the interracial marriage claim!!!!" -- racism is always an easy emotional triple -- but intellectual honesty demands you do the heavy lifting and compare apples to apples.

    I said much earlier in this thread that I think free association is a much better argument, one that may even be compelling. There may also be a persuasive 9th Amendment argument. But equal protection is not the slam dunk you say it is.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    That doesn't mean the definition of marriage itself was different. It only disqualified certain people from entering into it with other people.
    Hmmmmm.....sounds very similar to the situation involving gay marriage...now doesn't it.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Hmmmmm.....sounds very similar to the situation involving gay marriage...now doesn't it.
    Nope. I already explained why. If you actually are a lawyer, you know I did, and you understood it. If this is your response, then that's all we need to know.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Nope. I already explained why. If you actually are a lawyer, you know I did, and you understood it. If this is your response, then that's all we need to know.
    These are your own words Harshaw.

    " It only disqualified certain people from entering into it with other people."

    Isn't that exactly what the anti gay marriage folk are doing? Disqualifying certain people from entering into marriage with other people?

    Of course....you will try to spin the definition to fit your limited views. The reality is...these are your own words and they are coming back to bite you in the ass.

    That's all anyone needs to now.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Hmmmmm.....sounds very similar to the situation involving gay marriage...now doesn't it.
    It actually sounds nothing like it for them any reasons we have listed over and over again...........
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