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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Because we consistently don't believe this is a judicial matter.
    Discrimination is a judicial matter.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Discrimination on the basis of race is no worse than discrimination on the basis of gender and sexual orientation.
    You're making a novel argument that's well outside the holding of Loving. There's no prima facie discrimination, and the gender classifications are not irrelevant to the institution.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Discrimination is a judicial matter.
    Exactly. And if the Constituency wishes to disciminate against first cousins....or bother/sister...or mother/son....or polygamists...that's up to them, correct....to define their own cultural institutions. No court on this planet would care if you're already married or not, they'd consider each contract separate. However, We the People define marriage as a unique contract, once entered into, you cannot enter into another until the previous one is dissolved and so...we disciminate. No court would care if you're trying to enter into a contract with your mother's sister's daughter either....but We the People may very well care...and therefore we discriminate. No court might care if you are of the same gender, We the People obviously do.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    Why are you dodging this question? I have not asked it of you before, or any variation of it, nor have I seen you explain this. It was not meant disrespectfully, only wanting to understand your mindset.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    I would like to see you people on the left quit trying to compare the plight of Blacks with the plight gays face.........The two situations are nothing alike...It is ridiculous to even make the comparison and you are insulting Balcks by doing so..........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would like to see you people on the left quit trying to compare the plight of Blacks with the plight gays face.........The two situations are nothing alike...It is ridiculous to even make the comparison and you are insulting Balcks by doing so..........
    There are similarities. Both groups where looked down on and denied the right to do certain things by factors beyond their control.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are similarities. Both groups where looked down on and denied the right to do certain things by factors beyond their control.
    Similarities...based on being "looked down on" and "denied the right to do certain things??"

    Yeah, let's just start basing or changing our entire legal structure to implement this brilliance.

    For the love of God.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Similarities...based on being "looked down on" and "denied the right to do certain things??"

    Yeah, let's just start basing or changing our entire legal structure to implement this brilliance.

    For the love of God.
    Nothing like taking something out of context. Note my comment was in response to a comment about there being no similarities...
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nothing like taking something out of context. Note my comment was in response to a comment about there being no similarities...
    Context is the problem. African Americans being denied marriage based on the color of their skin is immoral and was corrected, the majority of ethnic Americans today oppose same sex marriage and consider your attempt to make analogies to race out of context.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would like to see you people on the left quit trying to compare the plight of Blacks with the plight gays face.........The two situations are nothing alike...It is ridiculous to even make the comparison and you are insulting Balcks by doing so..........
    Sorry Navy...but it isn't. The same bigoted views that are applied to gays are similar to the same bigoted views that were applied to blacks.

    The same bigoted argument that the definition of marriage shouldn't be changed to include inter-racial marriage...is the same bigoted argument that the definition of marriage shouldn't be changed to include gay marriage.

    The same bigoted argument that the children of inter-racial couples would suffer is the same bigoted argument that the children of gay couples will suffer.

    People who seek to preserve discrimination use whatever arguments are at their disposal and all you have to do is look at the historical arguments used by bigots against inter-racial marriage and you see that they are the same that are being used today.

    People who fought inter-racial marriage felt that they were in the right and that god was on their side the same way that the anti-gay marriage folk feel that they are justified in their discrimination. There is no difference.
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