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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Um.......I guess you haven't been following the news lately..........The Prop 8 federal trial began today..........it's going to be on youtube........
    Few cases argued before the Federal Court of Appeals end up in the SC. If the 9th circuit upholds Prop 8, it's certainly not a given that the SC would take the case. It becomes more likely when you have federal appeals courts looking at similar issues, but arriving at different conclusions.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    So there where republicans running against Jackson when you voted for him?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Um.......I guess you haven't been following the news lately..........The Prop 8 federal trial began today..........it's going to be on youtube........

    EDIT: Correction, the Supreme Court blocked the youtube broadcast as of today.

    Supreme Court blocks video coverage of Prop. 8 trial - latimes.com
    I did not say they never get involved in states issues, they just don't like to............

    I may also add the SCOTUS often over rules against that circuit court because it is the most radical court in the U.S. and many of its decisions are overturned by the SCOTUS...
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I did not say they never get involved in states issues, they just don't like to............

    I may also add the SCOTUS often over rules against that circuit court because it is the most radical court in the U.S. and many of its decisions are overturned by the SCOTUS...
    Are you speaking of the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are you speaking of the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals?
    Out of SF, yes that is the one............
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And you have not been able to answer the question.
    I have answered the question several times at this point.

    Red, go read what was posted.

    You don't like the answer and have no proof or evidence to back up your "separate but equal" claim.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The interest is in a stable family unit and the rearing of children to become productive citizens. Since most gay couple (not all) have little or no interest in rearing children, the state has little interest.
    This is inaccurate... but I would like to see some substantiation on this point you just made.

    One of the reasons that the state has interest in sanctioning GM is because gay couples want to have and rear children and do so as well as straight couples.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is inaccurate... but I would like to see some substantiation on this point you just made.

    One of the reasons that the state has interest in sanctioning GM is because gay couples want to have and rear children and do so as well as straight couples.
    Please, you just went through this with Jerry.

    Go read his responces.

    I have seen no evidence at all that says the majority of gay couples want to adopt or raise children.

    I mean I admit I am going on anecdotal evidence from the gay community's in Chicago and San Fransisco. I lived in both places for years (how I got over my initial homophobia) and again I saw nothing that would lead me to believe your comment is true.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please, you just went through this with Jerry.

    Go read his responces.

    I have seen no evidence at all that says the majority of gay couples want to adopt or raise children.

    I mean I admit I am going on anecdotal evidence from the gay community's in Chicago and San Fransisco. I lived in both places for years (how I got over my initial homophobia) and again I saw nothing that would lead me to believe your comment is true.
    Well, let's look at real data. http://www.law.ucla.edu/williamsinst...tionReport.pdf

    More than one in three lesbians have given birth and one in six gay men have fathered or adopted a child.
    More than half of gay men and 41 percent of lesbians want to have a child.
    An estimated two million GLB people are interested in adopting.
    An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.
    More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number among the states.
    Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.
    Same-sex couples raising adopted children are older, more educated, and have more economic resources than other adoptive parents.
    Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.
    An estimated 14,100 foster children are living with lesbian or gay parents.
    Gay and lesbian parents are raising three percent of foster children in the United States.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So what?

    Makes no difference. I will take what I have seen over that.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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