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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is not a marriage, and should not be recognized as such. It is a life style and nothing more. They are not separate, it's not like they have to use the Negro rest room or anything.

    Sorry, that is a lame excuse.
    Why is a committed gay relationship a "lifestyle" and a committed straight relationship can be a "marriage".

    Answer: Because the government says its ok.

    The government should have no place saying who can and cannot be married.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have no idea who he voted for. I will still say he knows his past better than you, period.

    And that's fine. People can also lie. You may simply take people at their word and that's noble of you. Of course, when people have a history sometimes you don't have to simply take them "at their word".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why is a committed gay relationship a "lifestyle" and a committed straight relationship can be a "marriage".
    Tradition? Religion? Take your pick..

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    Answer: Because the government says its ok.
    No. Because my morals and tradition say it is OK.

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    The government should have no place saying who can and cannot be married.
    If this were to happen, you would get no argument from me.

    Let the churches marry who they like. This is not going to happen though.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is true, and that should be changed.

    This has nothing to really do with my point though.
    Actually, it does. Civil unions do not have all the same benefits of marriage. It is not equal.

    Further, if you make them the exact same, then why have two catagories for exactly the same thing?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Tradition? Religion? Take your pick..



    No. Because my morals and tradition say it is OK.



    If this were to happen, you would get no argument from me.

    Let the churches marry who they like. This is not going to happen though.
    Tradition and Religion are never accepted governmental interests to withstand a Constitutional violation.

    Your morals and traditions are fine for you. Why do you feel that everyone else should be subjected to your views?

    We are in agreement in the final one. Let churches marry who they like. Some churches will marry gays, others won't. Freedom of religion would support that.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, it does. Civil unions do not have all the same benefits of marriage. It is not equal.
    Yes it is. In the states they cannot adopt etc. They also do not have civil unions. They do not have the same benefits under the law anyway. This is wrong and they need to be giving the right to form a union with the same benefits as a married couple.

    Again has nothing to do with my point about civil unions.

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    Further, if you make them the exact same, then why have two catagories for exactly the same thing?
    Because as I have said, they are not the exact same thing.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it is. In the states they cannot adopt etc. They also do not have civil unions. They do not have the same benefits under the law anyway. This is wrong and they need to be giving the right to form a union with the same benefits as a married couple.

    Again has nothing to do with my point about civil unions.



    Because as I have said, they are not the exact same thing.
    Now you can't have it both ways. Are they equal, with the same benefits and protections, or aren't they?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it is. In the states they cannot adopt etc. They also do not have civil unions. They do not have the same benefits under the law anyway. This is wrong and they need to be giving the right to form a union with the same benefits as a married couple.

    Again has nothing to do with my point about civil unions.



    Because as I have said, they are not the exact same thing.
    If they are not the same thing....how do you rationalize the Government treating classes of people differently under the Equal protection clause.

    What important governmental interest is served by the discriminatory act?

    That is the question that you have to be able to answer in order for the exclusion to pass Constitutional muster.

    I'm interested in hearing what you believe this interest to be?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Tradition and Religion are never accepted governmental interests to withstand a Constitutional violation.
    I don't see it as a Constitutional violation. Whether it is or not can be argued by better men than us.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Your morals and traditions are fine for you. Why do you feel that everyone else should be subjected to your views?
    They don't, they are free as am I to move to a place where the laws suit them better in this country. Part of the reason I live in Florida, and not Illinois.

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    We are in agreement in the final one. Let churches marry who they like. Some churches will marry gays, others won't. Freedom of religion would support that.
    I agree, but it's never going to happen.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Now you can't have it both ways. Are they equal, with the same benefits and protections, or aren't they?
    Yes I can and have. Your accusation has nothing to do with my point. With a civil union they have all the rights married couples do IN the states that have civil unions.

    End of story.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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