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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I would agree with you there. But as long as Government is in the marriage business, the Constitution requires that if they are going to discriminate in its application, that they government have an important governmental purpose to over-ride that discrimination. THAT purpose is what no one on the side of the Government ever can define in this debate.
    "They already have all the benefits of civil unions. Nothing is being denied gay couples." - Blackdog

    So what is being denied gay people?

    I do not consider 2 men or women a marraige based on my religion. They have civil unions, which gives them all the benefits and rights a heterosexual couple get.

    So what is it you really want if they already get everything?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "They already have all the benefits of civil unions. Nothing is being denied gay couples." - Blackdog

    So what is being denied gay people?

    I do not consider 2 men or women a marraige based on my religion. They have civil unions, which gives them all the benefits and rights a heterosexual couple get.

    So what is it you really want if they already get everything?
    Seperate but equal is still wrong and unconstitutional. Civil Unions still portray gays as second class citizens.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not claiming that I know his life better than him....I'm just calling him out when its clear that he is being less than honest.
    Navy has written a lot of this site over the last 5 years. "Being liberal as hell" has never been one of them. Its rather convenient for him to start discussing this now.
    There are millions of us like that DD....We grow older and grow wiser.......surely you know more now then when you were 18.......Ahhh maybe not......you may be the exception..........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not claiming that I know his life better than him....I'm just calling him out when its clear that he is being less than honest.
    Unless you have the ability to see into his past, this is just an assumption on your part.

    I think he knows better what he was doing in his past then you.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Navy has written a lot of this site over the last 5 years. "Being liberal as hell" has never been one of them. Its rather convenient for him to start discussing this now.
    66 to 72 years of age at this site, and you are arrogant enough to think you know him or his past?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "They already have all the benefits of civil unions. Nothing is being denied gay couples." - Blackdog

    So what is being denied gay people?

    I do not consider 2 men or women a marraige based on my religion. They have civil unions, which gives them all the benefits and rights a heterosexual couple get.

    So what is it you really want if they already get everything?
    Some states ban gays from adopting and fostering. Hey, that's one and I did not even have to think about it.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well you agree with Carter on every issue.........In fact you could be his clone.........I guess Black Dog straightened you out on the young thing though......

    You better go DD while your only losing by a little bit............

    I don't even know what Carter's stance IS on most issues. I haven't really seen him taking a position on much.

    I'll tell you one thing though. If the election were today, I would absolutely vote for Carter over Reagan. Neither was a great President, but I think Reagan left more lasting damage. Carter was just damaging when he was in office. The damaging effect went away pretty rapidly.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Seperate but equal is still wrong and unconstitutional. Civil Unions still portray gays as second class citizens.
    It is not a marriage, and should not be recognized as such. It is a life style and nothing more. They are not separate, it's not like they have to use the Negro rest room or anything.

    Sorry, that is a lame excuse.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Unless you have the ability to see into his past, this is just an assumption on your part.

    I think he knows better what he was doing in his past then you.



    66 to 72 years of age at this site, and you are arrogant enough to think you know him or his past?

    Navy has listed every President he voted for here. He has always voted for the Republican....so if he was a "liberal as hell" at a period of time in his life, I have no idea when that would have been.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Some states ban gays from adopting and fostering. Hey, that's one and I did not even have to think about it.
    This is true, and that should be changed.

    This has nothing to really do with my point though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Navy has listed every President he voted for here. He has always voted for the Republican....so if he was a "liberal as hell" at a period of time in his life, I have no idea when that would have been.
    I have no idea who he voted for. I will still say he knows his past better than you, period.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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