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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I said he was "trying" to pack it. He was unsuccessful in doing so. Thankfully, Obama is going to ensure a balance on the court at least for most of the rest of my lifetime, with at least one more if not two more appointments.
    You mean Bush kept it equal Obama will pack it with liberals.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Obama wil be gone in 2012, the one old witch will be gone and so will Douglas.......You are in big trouble my friend when it comes to the SCOTUS......your only hope is they are gone before Obama is gone and he will appoint 2 lefties and the ba,ance will remain the same...........
    Don't be so sure. With the economy rebounding, I don't see anyone in the GOP that is going to beat Obama (Palin? )

    That aside, Obama's election destroyed all hopes of the evangelical right to pack the Supreme Court with ultra right activist judges. It was a HUGE defeat for them because they had hoped that with one or two more justices they might get Roe v. Wade overturned and be able to pass all kinds of other right-wing social agenda items. Fortunately, Obama will have at least one and possibly 2 more appointments. Even more if something unforeseen were to happen to one of the other justices (and I'm not hoping that it does).
    The reality is....Obama's election secured a balance on the Supreme Court for probably the next couple of decades.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Personally, I think it is just as stupid for antis to have a problem with gay couple using the word marriage as I do with pros insisting on the word marriage being used.

    That is your opinion unfortunately for you most people don't feel that way.......
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You mean Bush kept it equal Obama will pack it with liberals.
    Unfortunately no. I would love Obama to put a real liberal on the court. It isn't going to happen. Obama is a moderate. We knew that going into it. With the political climate in America today, it is unlikely a true liberal would be elected President. Obama's first choice was a moderate. I expect the next one will be as well.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Again, stop with the silly talking points... or demonstrate how they are "infiltrating".
    They are teaching in kindergarten that gay is normal. Then you have church splits caused by gay clergy ordained.

    To say nothing of day of silence.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is your opinion unfortunately for you most people don't feel that way.......
    But that's what make America great, Navy....at least the America that was and should be......we are entitled to different opinions....everybody does not have to have yours.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I live there now
    Even the Republican senator Susan Collins is moderate to left leaning and rarely votes with the conservatives.........Wake up and smell the roses my friend.........If Maine were a Conservative state they would have conservatives in the senate.........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are teaching in kindergarten that gay is normal. Then you have church splits caused by gay clergy ordained.

    To say nothing of day of silence.
    BS. You need to turn down your right-wing radio......seriously.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    The ones affected by it argue that it is not equal, and that the 'word' is not irrelevant. Did not the Supreme Court say separate but equal can never be equal? You seem to acknowledge that with your stance that 'marriage' should be abolished for all state-sanctioned 'civil unions' and reserved for religious 'marriage ceremonies'.

    Did not the people arguing for separate but equal say that things were equal?

    If you go down a check list and one thing is reserved for one group, and another thing for another group, then that's not really equal. You judge the difference is not important, but others judge it is important. If things were in fact, equal, there would be no subjective differences in perception.
    The problem with this argument is that gays are not trying to get to use the word marriage. They are trying to get all of the benefits that go along with being married. I look at the GM debate in a very pragmatic way. They could call gay marriage "oyster" for all I care. If the benefits are the same, GM has won. Staying mired in who gets to use the term marriage detracts from the real issue. Look at this thread. Perfect example of that. "We want to use the word marriage", "No, you can't". Rinse, repeat. And guess what? While this is happening, gay couples don't get the benefits. The problem with the pro-GM movement is that they look at things in a very black and white way rather than a shade of gray incremental assault. This along with focusing on discrimination rather than family is why they constantly lose.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Don't be so sure. With the economy rebounding, I don't see anyone in the GOP that is going to beat Obama (Palin? )

    That aside, Obama's election destroyed all hopes of the evangelical right to pack the Supreme Court with ultra right activist judges. It was a HUGE defeat for them because they had hoped that with one or two more justices they might get Roe v. Wade overturned and be able to pass all kinds of other right-wing social agenda items. Fortunately, Obama will have at least one and possibly 2 more appointments. Even more if something unforeseen were to happen to one of the other justices (and I'm not hoping that it does).
    The reality is....Obama's election secured a balance on the Supreme Court for probably the next couple of decades.
    Health care and amnesty and tax increases will kill Obama's chances. Don't forget cap and tax.

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