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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Did the weekend refresh your memory, JD3?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    And given the low probability, is that probablity today rising...or receding?
    Near zero is still near zero. It remains relatively constant when compared to the other things which have threat against our life. For example, compared to drunk drivers, terrorism hardly shows up on the scale at all. Far more likely to be taken out by a drunk driver than a terrorist. Hell, I'm far more likely to slip in the shower and be taken out by gravity than I am to be taken out by a terrorist.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Near zero is still near zero.
    So Major Hasan nor alHaji nor the Pakistan 5 are a concern, zero is zero?

    It remains relatively constant when compared to the other things which have threat against our life. For example, compared to drunk drivers, terrorism hardly shows up on the scale at all. Far more likely to be taken out by a drunk driver than a terrorist. Hell, I'm far more likely to slip in the shower and be taken out by gravity than I am to be taken out by a terrorist.
    But, I don't look to Homeland Security, our military, nor intelligence agencies nor our President to defend me from drunk drivers or gravity. Any state Mothers against Drunk Driving initiative I'm all about it. when we're arguing threats the federal government, namely our President, is accountable for...like terrorism and all enemies foreign and domestic, then we can compare.

    You're trying to compare apples and oranges, meteors may indeed be a larger threat to mankind, doesn't mean you access same resources. It's our President and Executive Branches' job and responsibility to keep us safe from terrorism, not gravity nor drunk drivers. Your argument is silly.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Did the weekend refresh your memory, JD3?
    About what?

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    So Major Hasan nor alHaji nor the Pakistan 5 are a concern, zero is zero?
    How many of those were successful? How often do they occur? The probability isn't zero, so it will happen from time to time. Even with excessive government control and monitoring of the people, it will happen. But not often. At some point I think there is a lot of freaking out and improper call to action because people don't understand probabilities.

    How many people in America will die in car accidents today? You know? About 100. Way more than any terrorist is going to get. How many Americans have been taken out on state soil since 9/11? Zero.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    But, I don't look to Homeland Security, our military, nor intelligence agencies nor our President to defend me from drunk drivers or gravity. Any state Mothers against Drunk Driving initiative I'm all about it. when we're arguing threats the federal government, namely our President, is accountable for...like terrorism and all enemies foreign and domestic, then we can compare.

    You're trying to compare apples and oranges, meteors may indeed be a larger threat to mankind, doesn't mean you access same resources. It's our President and Executive Branches' job and responsibility to keep us safe from terrorism, not gravity nor drunk drivers. Your argument is silly.
    No, what's being compared is threats to life. How much do I really have to fear terrorism? Well when compared to everything else which poses threat, not a whole lot. I don't mean we ignore the situation, I just mean that we don't have to freak out and run around pretending that the sky is falling. It's not. We don't need to freak out, we don't need larger government, we don't need infringements against our rights. You're not going to get that much more "safe" by doing so and you may actually find that you've fallen to a larger threat by taking the path.

    And meteors aren't a large threat. They're a statistical outlier. It's like freaking out over the fact that the sun will run out of fuel in 5 billion years.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    About what?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How many of those were successful?
    How many uncovered irresponsible process unsuccess...and that we're clearly still unprepared.

    How often do they occur?
    We've had three or four just in the lst months. 5 young men travel from Alex. Va. to Pakistan, Major Hasan, Alhaji on the Detroit flight, it seems the campaign has been stepped up, yes?

    The probability isn't zero, so it will happen from time to time. Even with excessive government control and monitoring of the people, it will happen. But not often. At some point I think there is a lot of freaking out and improper call to action because people don't understand probabilities.
    What people understand is who is supposed to strengthen our abilities to defend ourselves. It's environmental scares and calls for health care takeover we consider alot of freaking out and calling for improper actions. What we want is accountability and right now, we're not getting it.

    How many people in America will die in car accidents today?
    Math stats aren't relevant and distract from the issue.

    How many Americans have been taken out on state soil since 9/11? Zero.
    You don't consider the Hasan incident one of terror? Perhaps I see the problem now.

    No, what's being compared is threats to life. How much do I really have to fear terrorism?
    How much does our Homeland Sec factor in terrorism and would if be safe to assume her job title makes her responsible for you and I, it's her job to understand and take action against a terror attack. It's not fear, it's vigilance.

    Well when compared to everything else which poses threat, not a whole lot. I don't mean we ignore the situation, I just mean that we don't have to freak out and run around pretending that the sky is falling. It's not.
    This gentleman getting on an airplane, the Hasan holes in the intelligence system, the President's correct analysis that there is a systemic failure...means you take action, not pretend it isn't happening to match your incorrect poltiical leanings.

    And meteors aren't a large threat. They're a statistical outlier. It's like freaking out over the fact that the sun will run out of fuel in 5 billion years.
    But terrorists ARE a large threat. Let me give you a good analogy. The Great Wall of China. IT was built out of what?

    Sheer fear. Not a sky is falling, a confident knowledge that a coming menace...despite disease and illness that killed most of them...the Chinese built a wall and were not alone. The Roman Empire, Denmark and Korea all did so at certain time in the past. IN England there is a wall to keep the romans safe from "Barbarians."

    there is a difference between vigilance and seeing the obvious, you want to ignore these realities, do it on your dime.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    All that is nothing but deflect. You're hiding from the fact that terrorism is a low probability event which often does not succeed and does not overall pose a large threat to Americans. It doesn't mean we can't do reasonable things to watch for terrorism and look for plots. But it also means we don't have to freak out either. Zero American civilians killed on State soil since 9/11. A few attempts, no successes. Zero. Am I to live in fear from zero? I couldn't live life if I was. You can take the Hasan case even though it was a military base and didn't involve a large number of civilians. But even then, you have 1 success since 9/11 and killed what, a handful of people at best. Shaking in my boots. Oh wait, I'm not. Low number and low probability events are not proper reason for authorizing authoratative, big brother government.

    The real threat to liberty and freedom is not in the least terrorism. The real threat to freedom and liberty is the government itself.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    It is a low probability threat? So is murder, should we not go after murderers?
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    It is a low probability threat? So is murder, should we not go after murderers?
    I never said we couldn't go after it. If you read what I wrote I said we don't have to freak out. We can take reasonable precautions, go after the individuals at fault (though maybe we shouldn't be attacking countries as much). But this isn't something to freak out about. 9/11 was the most successful terrorist attack on the proper State soil ever. And what did they get? 3,000 people. Cars kill over 30,000 a year. My whole point is that we must take this in perspective to other things so that we can find reasonable solution and action. If we're lead around by our emotions and flail around out of fear, we'll only make the situation worse.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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