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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    There is nothing extremist about logic, and no, I am not dishonest.
    It's not that I "may have" one case, but I pointed at an obvious one which recently made headlines

    ...and?

    Something you wish to say, or just blathering?





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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    You are welcome to add me to your ignore list, it would save you from making yourself look stupid with your responses.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    You are welcome to add me to your ignore list, it would save you from making yourself look stupid with your responses.




    I don't ignore people..... Please compose yourself, your insults are not necesary.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many terrorists who have been tried and convicted of terrorism in U.S. Federal courts have gone back to committing terrorists acts while in Maximum Security Prisons.

    Two things here. Should Obama proceed with making the order of the day that the War on Terror is not a military action, but rather a civil criminal one, and our prisons fill with known radicals from around the world, a couple of unintended consequences arise that are real.

    First, the danger of radicalization of American Prisoners they are held with. Second, the moral boost given to our enemy by knowing that they have us on the run back home.


    There are a group of Federal Prosecutors and investigators who have become experts at convicting terrorists in the U.S. while not compromising national security. The Judges who hear these cases follow the law. The Marshals who manage these prisoners are extremely competent and well-trained.

    Wo it's fool proof then? IOW, like Obama said "We will give them a fair trial,.....And they will be found guilty"?

    You see nothing wrong with that statement? Really?


    I don't have a problem with Gitmo, enhanced interrogations, or electrocuting someone's testicles if it will save American lives. The mistake was trying to codify it--writing memos, trying to make it legal and on the books.

    Really? So in other words, as long as they keep it secret, they can break the law eh? I don't think this statement is honest.


    Regarding the story in the OP -- I had already heard this 1 in 5 stat. How many people total are we talking about? What was the circumstances of their release from Gitmo?

    Is not OBL one man? Are not the two Gitmo released detainees in AQAP but single individuals? Is there some magic number that causes you to rethink your stance?


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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So shoud we close it as planned? 20 percent is very high. Is it best to move these guys to CONUS? What say you?
    20 percent is very high? Are you kidding me???? But, I'll get back to this point in a minute.

    First of all, I feel as if I'm reading a repeat from 2006 or 2007. Just a bare assertion by the Pentagon/Justice Department with nothing to back it up. They were asked for sources, names, etc., and could only produce about 20 names out of an original total of some 140 detainees they say were released, and then returned to terrorism. Then the number was cut to 70-some, and then 40-some.

    This is the same kind of thing. No sources, no citations for how they came up with this percentage, just a number thrown out there, take it or leave it. And it will probably end up being just as bogus as the last set of numbers.

    But, let's go back to the original article, and let's further assume that the percentage is correct. After 8 years, they give us a recidivism rate of terror detainees at 20 percent, and you think that's very high?

    Hell, the criminal recidivism rate in this country is 44 percent after only one year, and damn-near 70 percent after 3 years. And yet you consider a 20 percent recidivism high.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This is just more proof we should have never detained them, of course they want revenge for the violations of their civil rights!
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There is some amount of truth to that. Certainly there were terrorists in GITMO, but we picked them up and had people turn in others for rewards and such; so not all the people there were terrorists. We took no precaution as to which group we snatched and threw in prison with no means of defense. Those who may not have been terrorists were first kidnapped basically and unlawfully imprisoned and were in contract then with actual terrorists. It is not inconceivable that when released, some that were not terrorists would resort to such as a method of retribution.
    As of July 1, there were about 230 prisoners left at Guantanamo, although over the past eight years a total of nearly 800 men have been held in the camp, mostly without charge or trial.[2] Of the total, 544 have been released, repatriated or otherwise transferred to one of about 40 countries, including at least 194 to Afghanistan and 120 to Saudi Arabia.
    Guantanamo: Who Really 'Returned to the Battlefield'? | NewAmerica.net

    If we can trust this link, "nearly 800" total were detained of which 544 have been released as of July '09. 20% of 544 = 108. That means about 256 are deemed to be too supicious to warrant release.

    I see no problem believing sum 350 out of about 800 captured are actual enemy combattants. I can allow that a handful might be innocents corrupted by their imprisonment and treatment. But let's keep the 250 or so in detention at G-Bay until they die of a ripe old age.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    20 percent is very high? Are you kidding me???? But, I'll get back to this point in a minute.

    First of all, I feel as if I'm reading a repeat from 2006 or 2007. Just a bare assertion by the Pentagon/Justice Department with nothing to back it up. They were asked for sources, names, etc., and could only produce about 20 names out of an original total of some 140 detainees they say were released, and then returned to terrorism. Then the number was cut to 70-some, and then 40-some.

    This is the same kind of thing. No sources, no citations for how they came up with this percentage, just a number thrown out there, take it or leave it. And it will probably end up being just as bogus as the last set of numbers.

    But, let's go back to the original article, and let's further assume that the percentage is correct. After 8 years, they give us a recidivism rate of terror detainees at 20 percent, and you think that's very high?

    Hell, the criminal recidivism rate in this country is 44 percent after only one year, and damn-near 70 percent after 3 years. And yet you consider a 20 percent recidivism high.

    The recidivism rate for the detainee that succeeds in a major terror attack is 100% no?


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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    And that for a detainee who does not get involved in any terrorist activities is 0%.

    What's your point, if any?
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    And that for a detainee who does not get involved in any terrorist activities is 0%.

    What's your point, if any?

    the point is that in this war, we have to be 100% on top of any possible attacks, they only have to be successful 1 time. This danger is now off the map with the recent treating these attacks as criminal endeavors instead of terrorism.


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