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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How long does one detain enemy combatants during a war?
    People kidnapped in the streets of countries not at war are not "enemy combatants".

    When in the history of warfare has one belgerant released its war captured during a war.
    The US has not declared any war, and GITMO detainees are not POWs.
    Jeez, dude, this is stuff which has been covered in depth years ago...

    Wait we don't hold anyone ever before they are proven guilty? Is this REALLY your contribution to this thread?
    No it is not, but I note that you continue to avoid a direct answer to my point and spin the meaning of what I said.
    - hardly surprising, which 'libertarian' would want to admit they support fascist policies.

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    People kidnapped in the streets of countries not at war are not "enemy combatants".
    So what percentage of people in GITMO are these, links and proof please.


    The US has not declared any war, and GITMO detainees are not POWs.
    Jeez, dude, this is stuff which has been covered in depth years ago...

    Should we release them in your town then?


    No it is not, but I note that you continue to avoid a direct answer to my point and spin the meaning of what I said.

    I've answered you directly on everything. The fact you do not like my answers is your tantrum, not my problem.





    - hardly surprising, which 'libertarian' would want to admit they support fascist policies.


    You calling yourself a "moderate" I find it ironic you want to attack me as a libertarian.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There is some amount of truth to that. Certainly there were terrorists in GITMO, but we picked them up and had people turn in others for rewards and such; so not all the people there were terrorists. We took no precaution as to which group we snatched and threw in prison with no means of defense. Those who may not have been terrorists were first kidnapped basically and unlawfully imprisoned and were in contract then with actual terrorists. It is not inconceivable that when released, some that were not terrorists would resort to such as a method of retribution.
    Ok, I'm not sure if you were aware of this but these guys weren't at Gitmo for singing too loudly in the mosque. They were terrorists before or associated very closely with such. If they were trying to kill us before and someone says "Well now they're mad because their civil rights were violated".....ok WTF? These people were trying to kill us before, so NOW they're mad? Then why were they so mad before?? What about the civil rights of the people in the twin towers? Does anyone not give a **** about them anymore?

    I say we take no prisoners, period. You dont talk, a single .223 shot to the head and you leave in a bag. We gotta stop playing with these TERRORISTS. And stop feeling sorry for them! These were terrorists, people! These bleeding heart liberals feel worse off for terrorists trying to kill innocent Americans than for our own citizens in our own prisons being beaten for stealing money!

    Whenever I can figure out the liberal mindset I will buy a lottery ticket because at that point I would have accomplished the impossible.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So what percentage of people in GITMO are these, links and proof please.
    Sorry, I have done this too often over the last few years, this belongs in the realm of 'common knowledge' anybody who wants to rehash this subject should be expected to have - it's hardly news.
    Should we release them in your town then?
    No, release them in Washington D.C. near a gun shop. lol
    I've answered you directly on everything. The fact you do not like my answers is your tantrum, not my problem.
    You have not refuted anything I said, but pretending ignorance instead and make silly diversions like bringing my town into this.
    Hey, I have not kidnapped anybody, this is a legacy from the Bush regime you guys in the US will have to deal with - or maybe not, just keep them in GITMO or dump them in the sea, that's what you want, Mr. Libertarian, isn't it? lol
    You calling yourself a "moderate" I find it ironic you want to attack me as a libertarian.
    What's wrong with me being a moderate?
    Sorry if I do not fit your expectations, it's probably because I do not subscribe to the US value system, why should I, the world is much larger.

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Ok, I'm not sure if you were aware of this but these guys weren't at Gitmo for singing too loudly in the mosque. They were terrorists before or associated very closely with such. If they were trying to kill us before and someone says "Well now they're mad because their civil rights were violated".....ok WTF? These people were trying to kill us before, so NOW they're mad? Then why were they so mad before?? What about the civil rights of the people in the twin towers? Does anyone not give a **** about them anymore?

    I say we take no prisoners, period. You dont talk, a single .223 shot to the head and you leave in a bag. We gotta stop playing with these TERRORISTS. And stop feeling sorry for them! These were terrorists, people! These bleeding heart liberals feel worse off for terrorists trying to kill innocent Americans than for our own citizens in our own prisons being beaten for stealing money!

    Whenever I can figure out the liberal mindset I will buy a lottery ticket because at that point I would have accomplished the impossible.

    Quote dontworrybehappy

    (Ok, I'm not sure if you were aware of this but these guys weren't at Gitmo for singing too loudly in the mosque. They were terrorists before or associated very closely with such.)
    Quote first paragraph, at the OP link.

    (As many as one in five former Guantanamo Bay detainees are suspected of or confirmed to have engaged in terrorist activity after their release, U.S. officials said, citing the latest government statistics.)

    kinda ignoring the first paragraph at the link arenít you? That paragraph raises a couple of question to me, none of them justifies shooting innocent people in the head because I THINK that they MIGHT know something. It seems to me, considering the mindset of the people involved that just breeds more terrorism.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Very true. But before we can say much for sure, we need numbers verified and some study as to what actually happened. No matter what we do in the meantime, we should try to actually figure out what happened.
    The interesting thing though is the 20% recidivism rate. People told us, "oh these were terrorists! We picked them up on the battle field!" True we picked up some on the battle field, but not all. We had cash rewards for people turning in "terrorists". We didn't have trials, we didn't do investigations, we did nothing to ensure that we were just picking up terrorists. But that's the claim, some people are blind enough to still even make that claim. They were terrorists!

    Why is it then that ONLY 20% have returned to terrorist organizations? Shouldn't that number be higher? I mean, they were all terrorists right? When released, why didn't they all run back to do terrorist sorts of stuff? I would have expected something like 80+% recidivism had the "all been terrorists"

    So what strikes me as funny about the 20% recidivism rate is that either GITMO was one of the most successful rehabilitation facilities ever, or not all the people in GITMO were terrorists.
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    Sorry, I have done this too often over the last few years, this belongs in the realm of 'common knowledge' anybody who wants to rehash this subject should be expected to have - it's hardly news.


    I accept your concession that you lack the information to back up your claim, .

    No, release them in Washington D.C. near a gun shop. lol

    further demonstrating your ignorance, Guns are illegal in DC and I do not believe there are any gun shops.


    You have not refuted anything I said, but pretending ignorance instead and make silly diversions like bringing my town into this.


    All you have said is unsubstantiated lunatic fringe liberal kookery!







    Hey, I have not kidnapped anybody, this is a legacy from the Bush regime you guys in the US will have to deal with - or maybe not, just keep them in GITMO or dump them in the sea, that's what you want, Mr. Libertarian, isn't it? lol
    You haven't proved kidnappings yet punchy....



    What's wrong with me being a moderate?


    You are not a moderate.... Are you fooling yourself?




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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The interesting thing though is the 20% recidivism rate. People told us, "oh these were terrorists! We picked them up on the battle field!" True we picked up some on the battle field, but not all. We had cash rewards for people turning in "terrorists". We didn't have trials, we didn't do investigations, we did nothing to ensure that we were just picking up terrorists. But that's the claim, some people are blind enough to still even make that claim. They were terrorists!

    Why is it then that ONLY 20% have returned to terrorist organizations? Shouldn't that number be higher? I mean, they were all terrorists right? When released, why didn't they all run back to do terrorist sorts of stuff? I would have expected something like 80+% recidivism had the "all been terrorists"

    So what strikes me as funny about the 20% recidivism rate is that either GITMO was one of the most successful rehabilitation facilities ever, or not all the people in GITMO were terrorists.
    Agreed. It should be higher, if they were what many claim them to have been. And we don't even know if the 20% is real.

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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    People kidnapped in the streets of countries not at war are not "enemy combatants".
    "Kidnapped" on the street?

    The US has not declared any war,
    Specific Authorization the same thing, pease read your rule of law.

    and GITMO detainees are not POWs.
    Congressionally designated enemy combatants.

    Jeez, dude, this is stuff which has been covered in depth years ago...
    You were wrong and making colossal errors then and now, so what?
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    Re: More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

    I have a couple of reasons why Gitmo should be closed, and those charged with plotting terrorism standing trial in civilian courts:

    1) Richard Reid

    2) The blind Sheik, who carried out the first WTC bombing.

    Both are in prison, and will no longer have a chance to hurt America. Not only that, but the world got to see what kind of people they are.

    Gitmo will always be associated with one thing - Conviction by innuendo. Sure, there were some legitimate terrorists who ended up at Gitmo, but there were also plenty there whose only crime was to be a target of a political enemy, a neighbor who didn't like them, or someone hungry for a little cash, who told lies that ended up putting them in Gitmo, even though they were innocent. That is reason enough to close Gitmo.

    Those who favor keeping Gitmo open do not have enough faith in a judical system that has worked ever since the founding of our nation. It has served it's purpose well. In the 2 cases I cited above, the legal system took the evidence, and they were convicted. Note that I said "evidence", not "innuendo" from a person who had an axe to grind.

    Finally, when we close Gitmo, and try those cases in our courts, we show the whole world that the United States is honest, fair, and most of all, truly concentrating on putting an end to terrorism, instead of just pumping up statistics on the backs of innocent people, whose lives are ruined in the process. Those who are legitimate terrorsts will be convicted. That is a certainty. Those who were railroaded by their neighbors, and who are innocent will be able to return home to their families and their lives. That is also a certainty. What could be more fair than that? This is the United States of America, not the Old Soviet Union, or Iran, where innuendo and unreasonable suspicion ruled the day. Let us win the war on terror, but at the same time, let us also never forget who we are. For once we become like our enemies, there is no turning back. We will have lost, and this will no longer be America.
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