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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.
    I forget. Who produced most of the war goods for the allies during WWII?

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Well to get to school, I have about 2 equivalent options (this is the bottleneck of my options, in effect). However, with traffic being the way it is, I could venture that privately run roads we give me even more options.
    People are going to use the most direct roads to get betweenany two points, thus the number you can build is actually limited. This eliminates competition as an incentive to keep them up to date and in good order.

    That is the problem with privatization of such things - the lowest common denominator tends to become the norm, just as with treatment of employees.
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

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    I know that those programs weren't all France, but the main example of this type of nanny state is France. In France they don't have the utopia that inteventionism and social welfare programs promised.
    They do, in fact. Excellent healthcare, workplace legislation, infrastructure, etc. Because the government there has the incentive to *deliver* on social welfare and infrastructre.
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.
    France produces nothing. Their best and brightest come here in order to avoid the "state" meddling in their ideas and innovations.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

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    France produces nothing. Their best and brightest come here in order to avoid the "state" meddling in their ideas and innovations.
    France produces much of its materiel - not to mention their films are superior due to government subsidization.
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    People are going to use the most direct roads to get betweenany two points, thus the number you can build is actually limited. This eliminates competition as an incentive to keep them up to date and in good order.
    That's a bold-faced lie. You're basing that on nothing. If that was the case, people would take roads most of the time instead of freeways because roads, by virtue that there are more of them, are going to be more direct than freeways. Yet still, for the most part, people take freeways over roads. Why? Because they're faster. With private roads, instead of time being the determinant, you'll have time and price being determinants.

    That is the problem with privatization of such things - the lowest common denominator tends to become the norm, just as with treatment of employees.
    Another poster who doesn't understand competition.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

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    Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.
    That's true, it diminished greatly after we freed them.....


    There is in fact a need for it.
    How this country survived the first 150 years of it's existence with out these programs is a mystery to me......

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    They do, in fact. Excellent healthcare, workplace legislation, infrastructure, etc. Because the government there has the incentive to *deliver* on social welfare and infrastructre.
    Why is there so much social unrest, then? It's not utopia.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    France produces nothing. Their best and brightest come here in order to avoid the "state" meddling in their ideas and innovations.
    I will give them a lot of credit for the French Foreign Legion. The irony is, of course, that their most elite fighting force is staffed by foreigners ...

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's a bold-faced lie. You're basing that on nothing. If that was the case, people would take roads most of the time instead of freeways because roads, by virtue that there are more of them, are going to be more direct than freeways. Yet still, for the most part, people take freeways over roads. Why? Because they're faster. With private roads, instead of time being the determinant, you'll have time and price being determinants.
    True, speed is a factor, but the point remains. Privatize roads and you just end up with a monopoly that leaves much to be desired with no means for the consumers to change it.

    Another poster who doesn't understand competition.
    Funny that, it's the laissez faire monkeys who don't understand that competition can only survive in a regulated environment. Otherwise you get corporate oligarchy where only the executives benefit and everyone else suffers.

    Lets hope you have your Buy N Large shares purchased in advance.
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