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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    It's greedy of you to demand well kept infrastructure and the like but bitch about taxes constantly. Seriously - no wonder NHS is so much better than anything the US offers.
    I don't demand it. In fact, I think it's at least plausible that it could be done privately.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

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    I don't demand it. In fact, I think it's at least plausible that it could be done privately.
    Tell me, how many roads can you build from point A to point B?
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Oh come on, I barely go a day without hearing someone whinge about taxes in this country.

    Perhaps if people weren't so politically apathetic we *could* have things like NHS, the Shinkansen, 35 hour work weeks, etc.
    Yeah, France is utopia isn't it? No such thing as social instability over there.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Tell me, how many roads can you build from point A to point B?
    An infinite amount. Tell me, how many ways are there from your work/school to your house?

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yeah, France is utopia isn't it? No such thing as social instability over there.
    NHS = Britain
    Shinkansen = Japan

    I would argue that much of their social instability is the source of their eutopianism - if the government doesn't do something they like or does something they don't, they get fired up about it. Unlike here.
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Oh come on, I barely go a day without hearing someone whinge about taxes in this country.

    Perhaps if people weren't so politically apathetic we *could* have things like NHS, the Shinkansen, 35 hour work weeks, etc.
    35 hour work weeks? LOL. I work about 60, and it's not a big deal. I actually enjoy it. Check out the implosion of once great nations like England, France, Germany, and Spain since they resorted to letting their citizens live on vacation. They now are permantly at the teet of the U.S.

    I will pay for my government to build a military. I will pay for roads, phone lines, sewage, electrical grids, oil exploration, etc.

    Beyond that, there is basically no need for our governmen to collect anything further from its citizens. Everything government has ever touched has gone bankrupt (Fannie, Freddie, Medicare, Social Security, US Postal Service, etc, etc, etc)

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    An infinite amount. Tell me, how many ways are there from your work/school to your house?
    How many of those roads are people going to use to get from point A to B?
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    How many of those roads are people going to use to get from point A to B?
    Well to get to school, I have about 2 equivalent options (this is the bottleneck of my options, in effect). However, with traffic being the way it is, I could venture that privately run roads we give me even more options.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    35 hour work weeks? LOL. I work about 60, and it's not a big deal. I actually enjoy it. Check out the implosion of once great nations like England, France, Germany, and Spain since they resorted to letting their citizens live on vacation. They now are permantly at the teet of the U.S.
    Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.

    I will pay for my government to build a military. I will pay for roads, phone lines, sewage, electrical grids, oil exploration, etc.

    Beyond that, there is basically no need for our governmen to collect anything further from its citizens. Everything government has ever touched has gone bankrupt (Fannie, Freddie, Medicare, Social Security, US Postal Service, etc, etc, etc)
    There is in fact a need for it.
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    NHS = Britain
    Shinkansen = Japan

    I would argue that much of their social instability is the source of their eutopianism - if the government doesn't do something they like or does something they don't, they get fired up about it. Unlike here.
    I know that those programs weren't all France, but the main example of this type of nanny state is France. In France they don't have the utopia that inteventionism and social welfare programs promised.

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