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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    It's greedy of you to demand well kept infrastructure and the like but bitch about taxes constantly. Seriously - no wonder NHS is so much better than anything the US offers.
    How does the NEA contribute to the infrastructure in Illinois or Chicago? Please, enlighten me.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    There was once a website that comprehensively detailed charity by both geography, religion, and political ideology, but it has been buried under an avalanche of partisan articles. Social conservatives in evangelical populations were highest, libertarians were lowest. Or maybe Christian liberals and libertarians were about equal and atheistic libertarians were lowest.

    However, on intuition, there is no reason to believe libertarians give a great deal to charity. The Republican charity numbers are inflated by the systematic charity of the evangelical church network; libertarians would only be party to that to the extent they are participants in the evangelical culture, which they generally are not. Libertarianism is dominant among a completely different kind of American. Evangelicals, for example, are much more favorable to both imperialism and to government welfare and intervention than libertarians.
    Meh ... I'll take your word on it then. I think your statement that libertarians believe "laziness and government handouts are the main cause of poverty" is a gross oversimplification, but I am too lazy right now to go down that road with you.

    I think the libertarian pool (small though it may be) is divided better between Randians and non-Randians, insofar as Randians see charity as being evil, and non-Randians do not. But libertarians are as hard to categorize as they are to organize, unfortunately. It's like herding cats.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How does the NEA contribute to the infrastructure in Illinois or Chicago? Please, enlighten me.
    Business is sufficiently distributed throughout the United States that infrastructure in any particular region pertains to prosperity somewhere else.
    If you notice something good in yourself, give credit to God, not to yourself, but be certain the evil you commit is always your own and yours to acknowledge.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    General perception?No,it's the reality I see every day among people I interact with.....All of which happen to be Democrats.
    That's what is know as anecdotal evidence -- based on your experience, limited or otherwise, Democrats behave a certain way.

    And, Yes, that would be your perception of things.






    "Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), Bank of New York/Mellon (BK, Fortune 500), Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500), JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) and Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) - all 'mega-banks' that the government forced to take bailout money - say they want to return taxpayer funds "as soon as practical.""


    Bankers: Take your TARP money back - Mar. 27, 2009
    I heard and read that a number of times, that TARP was 'forced' on big banks. Yet, no one has ever been able to explain exactly how (under which law) they were 'forced' to take money and/or what would have happened if they refused the money. Pressured is different than forced.

    Nevertheless, these were no-interest loans. I wish Citibank would give me a no-interest Visa.

    My point about 'handouts' -- wealthy corporations get more government freebies and handouts then individuals.

    You want to start talking about farm subsidies...

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Indeed, libertarians are among the least giving of Americans, which is what you would anticipate of people who are constantly arguing laziness and government handouts are the main cause of poverty.
    Actually, we figure since we're being robbed to subsidize poverty we're not obligated to do more for them. We insist that people earn their money. People who insist on being useless have no claim on our discretionary funds.

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I certainly hope every Republican who makes that observation gives generously to charity. I doubt it though.

    Republicans only give more to charity because they encompass the evangelical population, whose churches are highly refined charity machines. Republicans outside the social conservative demographic aren't remarkable for their charity. Indeed, libertarians are among the least giving of Americans, which is what you would anticipate of people who are constantly arguing laziness and government handouts are the main cause of poverty.
    I do give to church but I also give to veterans and disabled veterans groups.

    I also belong to the NRA.

    You might find this interesting.

    http://www.hoover.org/publications/p...w/3447051.html


    From these data, I have constructed two measures of religious participation. First, the group I refer to as “religious” are the respondents that report attending religious services every week or more often. This is 33 percent of the sample. Second, the group I call “secular” report attending religious services less than a few times per year or explicitly say they have no religion. These people are 26 percent of the sample (implying that those who practice their religion occasionally make up 41 percent of the sample). The sccbs asked respondents whether and how much they gave and volunteered to “religious causes” or “non-religious charities” over the previous 12 months. Across the whole population, 81 percent gave, while 57 percent volunteered.

    The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions.
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Who's talking about Jesus? I'm talking about the fundie hypochristians that tarnish the names of intelligent Republicans.
    Where on earth did you get the idea that Republican and or Democrat Politicians are intelligent?

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Business is sufficiently distributed throughout the United States that infrastructure in any particular region pertains to prosperity somewhere else.
    Uh-huh. And the NEA accomplishes this, how?

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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No, you're just rendering yourselves utterly irrelevant by ignoring the majority of Americans and shoving your radical leftist agenda down our collective throat.
    If the majority of Americans want something they should do the right thing and get politically involved - apathy is the problem.
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    Re: 3 Democrats Drop Plans to Seek Re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You called republicans intelligent? Its a sign that miracles do happen.
    Not all Republicans are intelligent, not all Democrats are smart. There are Republicans who I do respect and hod in high intellectual esteem.
    Syn Athēnāi kai kheira kinei - Gods help those who help themselves.

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