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    Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Citing an ongoing investigation, President Obama laid the blame for the attempted Detroit bombing on human error within the intelligence community.

    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday blamed "systemic failure" in the nation's national security and anti-terror system for allowing a Nigerian man to board a Detroit-bound airliner with explosives, even after his father had warned the government of his extremist views.



    Obama said that based on preliminary information, "It now appears that weeks ago this information was passed to a component of our intelligence community but was not effectively distributed so as to get the suspect's name on a no-fly list."


    Intelligence officials defended their actions, saying that the information they'd received from his father at the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria was shared throughout the U.S. intelligence community and that officials agreed there was not enough information to place Umar Farouk Abdulmatallab on a no-fly list.

    So what we have is clear intelligence that the bomber was working with extremist groups who were dedicated to terrorism, yet when intel from the bomber's own father reached US intelligence agents, it was withheld, not on purpose, but because they decided that what they received was not proof that he was about to attempt a bombing. Hence, he was not put on the do not fly list, and the rest is history.

    At this point, I would like to make a few points of my own:

    1) This does not reflect on Obama's job performance anymore than the 911 attacks, in the face of evidence that al Qaeda was dedicated to launching airline attacks at New York, reflects on Bush. Both can be attributed to human error within the intelligence community. Bush and Obama have something else in common too. After 911, Bush launched an investigation into US security structure, and as a result, of that investigation, changes were made. Obama is running the exact same play book. I also strongly believe that security will be tweaked again in the future, as "other" bugs in the intel system will also be uncovered by attacks or attempted attacks. The security game will always be ongoing, no matter who is in power.

    2) Shame on Dick Cheney and others for attempting to politicize this issue.

    3) But shame is not limited to political scumbags on the Republican side. A few Democrats are attempting to get political mileage by accusing Republicans in the intelligence community of purposely withholding the intel in order to make Obama look bad by allowing scores of innocent men, women, and children to be blown to bits. This is unconscienable BS. My wife, who is a dyed in the wool Liberal, saw someone on Keith Olberman make this claim, and she told me she wanted to puke. She is really pissed, not at Republicans, but at any Democrat who could be such a scumbag as to politicize this issue in such a monstrous way.

    4) To both Republicans and Democrats who are attempting to gain political points by such unscrupulous methods - Please, please, just go die in a fire. You are poison to America. Leave. Dead or alive, I don't care how you choose to go. Just get your sick and twisted asses the hell out of my country, and join al Qaeda, who appreciate terrorism. And make no mistake about it - Terrorism can can be done with a pen or a word, just as it can be with a sword, or a bomb, for that matter. If your sick and disgusting rhetoric is able to shut down our government, even just a little, then you have accomplished the same ends that suicide bombers constantly seek. Get the **** out of here, and go align with your real allies. You are not Americans.

    In the end, this looks like a breakdown in the intelligence community. Let's work towards fixing the problem, and leave the cheap and twisted political rhetoric where it belongs, in places nonexistent.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Citing an ongoing investigation, President Obama laid the blame for the attempted Detroit bombing on human error within the intelligence community.




    So what we have is clear intelligence that the bomber was working with extremist groups who were dedicated to terrorism, yet when intel from the bomber's own father reached US intelligence agents, it was withheld, not on purpose, but because they decided that what they received was not proof that he was about to attempt a bombing. Hence, he was not put on the do not fly list, and the rest is history.

    At this point, I would like to make a few points of my own:

    1) This does not reflect on Obama's job performance anymore than the 911 attacks, in the face of evidence that al Qaeda was dedicated to launching airline attacks at New York, reflects on Bush. Both can be attributed to human error within the intelligence community. Bush and Obama have something else in common too. After 911, Bush launched an investigation into US security structure, and as a result, of that investigation, changes were made. Obama is running the exact same play book. I also strongly believe that security will be tweaked again in the future, as "other" bugs in the intel system will also be uncovered by attacks or attempted attacks.

    2) Shame on Dick Cheney and others for attempting to politicize this issue.

    3) But shame is not limited to political scumbags on the Republican side. A few Democrats are attempting to get political mileage by accusing Republicans in the intelligence community of purposely withholding the intel in order to make Obama look bad by allowing scores of innocent men, women, and children to be blown to bits. This is unconscienable BS. My wife, who is a dyed in the wool Liberal, saw someone on Keither Olberman make this claim, and she told me she wanted to puke. She is really pissed, not at Republicans, but at any Democrat who could be such a scumbag as to politicize this issue in such a monstrous way.

    4) To both Republicans and Democrats who are attempting to gain political points by such unscrupulous methods - Please, please, just go die in a fire. You are poison to America. Leave. Dead or alive, I don't care how you care to go. Just get your sick and twisted asses the hell out of my country, and join al Qaeda, who appreciate terrorism. And make no mistake about it - Terrorism can can be done with a pen, just as it can be with a sword, or a bomb, for that matter. If your sick and disgusting rhetoric is able to shut down our government, even just a little, then you have accomplished the same ends that suicide bombers have as their goal. Get the **** out of here, and go align with your real allies. You are not Americans.

    In the end, this looks like a breakdown in the intelligence community. Let's work towards fixing the problem, and leave the cheap and twisted political rhetoric where it belongs, in places nonexistent.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Too bad you weren't that ****ing fair when Bush was in office.
    3) But shame is not limited to political scumbags on the Republican side. A few Democrats are attempting to get political mileage by accusing Republicans in the intelligence community of purposely withholding the intel in order to make Obama look bad by allowing scores of innocent men, women, and children to be blown to bits. This is unconscienable BS. My wife, who is a dyed in the wool Liberal, saw someone on Keither Olberman make this claim, and she told me she wanted to puke. She is really pissed, not at Republicans, but at any Democrat who could be such a scumbag as to politicize this issue in such a monstrous way.
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    I don't really get what this had to do with Obama or his administration. Most of the security checks were put into place before any of them came into office. The problem really was human error as I said in many threads before this one. Clear intelligence information was either ignored or not relayed to the key people that could have stopped the Nigerian from carrying out his plan.

    The problem isn't the security system, it's the humans who aren't doing it properly.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    no

    obama called mutallab an "isolated extremist"

    he took the same too early tack he took with hasan, and for the same reason

    the admin failed to follow up on al awlaki, even after his contacts with the hood hitman were known

    nancy drew woulda followed up THAT lead

    had intel gone there, they'd have found the warnings awlaki was warbling about a nigerian underwear bomber on christmas

    can you imagine what the previous admin would have done with major hasan's computer?

    obama still insists on returning yemenis from gitmo

    obama, for no cogent reason, yanked mutallab away from his military handlers and lawyered him up for civil court

    this is the precise instant the kid from nigeria quit talking

    when brennan was pressed for an upside to trying mutallab in criminal court on cnn's state of the union, he mumbled something about mutallab's need to cooperate with prosecutors in order to win legal concessions

    no, this is a political disaster for the white house

    and, like all the others, it's the admin's own doing
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Citing an ongoing investigation, President Obama laid the blame for the attempted Detroit bombing on human error within the intelligence community.

    So what we have is clear intelligence that the bomber was working with extremist groups who were dedicated to terrorism, yet when intel from the bomber's own father reached US intelligence agents, it was withheld, not on purpose, but because they decided that what they received was not proof that he was about to attempt a bombing. Hence, he was not put on the do not fly list, and the rest is history.

    At this point, I would like to make a few points of my own:

    1) This does not reflect on Obama's job performance anymore than the 911 attacks, in the face of evidence that al Qaeda was dedicated to launching airline attacks at New York, reflects on Bush. Both can be attributed to human error within the intelligence community. Bush and Obama have something else in common too. After 911, Bush launched an investigation into US security structure, and as a result, of that investigation, changes were made. Obama is running the exact same play book. I also strongly believe that security will be tweaked again in the future, as "other" bugs in the intel system will also be uncovered by attacks or attempted attacks. The security game will always be ongoing, no matter who is in power.

    2) Shame on Dick Cheney and others for attempting to politicize this issue.

    3) But shame is not limited to political scumbags on the Republican side. A few Democrats are attempting to get political mileage by accusing Republicans in the intelligence community of purposely withholding the intel in order to make Obama look bad by allowing scores of innocent men, women, and children to be blown to bits. This is unconscienable BS. My wife, who is a dyed in the wool Liberal, saw someone on Keith Olberman make this claim, and she told me she wanted to puke. She is really pissed, not at Republicans, but at any Democrat who could be such a scumbag as to politicize this issue in such a monstrous way.

    4) To both Republicans and Democrats who are attempting to gain political points by such unscrupulous methods - Please, please, just go die in a fire. You are poison to America. Leave. Dead or alive, I don't care how you choose to go. Just get your sick and twisted asses the hell out of my country, and join al Qaeda, who appreciate terrorism. And make no mistake about it - Terrorism can can be done with a pen or a word, just as it can be with a sword, or a bomb, for that matter. If your sick and disgusting rhetoric is able to shut down our government, even just a little, then you have accomplished the same ends that suicide bombers constantly seek. Get the **** out of here, and go align with your real allies. You are not Americans.

    In the end, this looks like a breakdown in the intelligence community. Let's work towards fixing the problem, and leave the cheap and twisted political rhetoric where it belongs, in places nonexistent.

    Article is here.
    Agree fully. This like 9/11 was a total breakdown in the intelligence community.

    However one has to wonder if the problem is how the intelligence community is organised and/or the traditionalist intra agency rivalries that go back many decades. I mean if you look at the amount of intelligence agencies the US has, then one has to wonder how much overlap there is and wasted money and resources that is going on. If I was Obama I would seriously consider merging some intelligence agencies if they dont start to talk to each other. Heads should have rolled back after 9/11 and heads should roll now... it is time to think outside the box.
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In the end, this looks like a breakdown in the intelligence community. Let's work towards fixing the problem, and leave the cheap and twisted political rhetoric where it belongs, in places nonexistent.

    Article is here.
    I also think that some blame needs to be laid on DHS for failing to implement effective precautions for pre-flight screening.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Intelligence officials defended their actions, saying that the information they'd received from his father at the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria was shared throughout the U.S. intelligence community and that officials agreed there was not enough information to place Umar Farouk Abdulmatallab on a no-fly list.
    Here's an idea:

    Throw away the no-fly list and assume NO ONE has the right to fly to the US, and implement a may-fly list (cute) of people who are allowed to board flights in-bound to the US.

    And this list would include US citizens and visa'd foreigners, but said foreigners can be removed from the list completely arbitrarily, while US citizens could not be removed from the list without due process.

    Problem solved.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Here's an idea:

    Throw away the no-fly list and assume NO ONE has the right to fly to the US, and implement a may-fly list (cute) of people who are allowed to board flights in-bound to the US.

    And this list would include US citizens and visa'd foreigners, but said foreigners can be removed from the list completely arbitrarily, while US citizens could not be removed from the list without due process.

    Problem solved.
    That would alienate tourists and business partners which are a big source of revenue from coming to the U.S.

    Better yet, why not just make a visa mandatory for all travelers and require an extensive screening process? That's what China does. Assume everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

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