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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Citing an ongoing investigation, President Obama laid the blame for the attempted Detroit bombing on human error within the intelligence community.

    Yes he did lay the blame off. Something I think that after his first year in office is becoming a pattern.


    So what we have is clear intelligence that the bomber was working with extremist groups who were dedicated to terrorism, yet when intel from the bomber's own father reached US intelligence agents, it was withheld, not on purpose, but because they decided that what they received was not proof that he was about to attempt a bombing. Hence, he was not put on the do not fly list, and the rest is history.

    Sorry, this just isn't good enough. I know that this is the excuse that the Obama supporters, and liberals within the administration are using to deflect accountability for this attempted bombing, but it just doesn't fly.


    At this point, I would like to make a few points of my own:
    Refreshing.

    1) This does not reflect on Obama's job performance anymore than the 911 attacks, in the face of evidence that al Qaeda was dedicated to launching airline attacks at New York, reflects on Bush. Both can be attributed to human error within the intelligence community......

    Nope, sorry. You just don't get off that easily. This is a direct result of Obama's job since taking over the helm in this war. Although Obama, and his administration have deliberately, and with purpose taken this country off any prior war footing, by scuttling the notion that there is any such thing as a 'War on Terror.'

    .....Bush and Obama have something else in common too. After 911, Bush launched an investigation into US security structure, and as a result, of that investigation, changes were made. Obama is running the exact same play book. I also strongly believe that security will be tweaked again in the future, as "other" bugs in the intel system will also be uncovered by attacks or attempted attacks. The security game will always be ongoing, no matter who is in power.
    I find the language in this troubling. For the fact that the bombers detonator failed these people on Flight 253 were spared blowing up in the sky. That's a "Bug in the system?" Tweaks will be made, and should constantly as our enemy tweaks their own tactics, but if you don't think you are at war, then maybe that is the first tweak needed by Obama.


    2) Shame on Dick Cheney and others for attempting to politicize this issue.

    Really? Shame on Cheney eh? I thought it was everyones 1st Amendment right in this country to enjoy free speech? Another pattern seems to be that this is only afforded when one agrees with "The One".


    3) But shame is not limited to political scumbags on the Republican side....

    Maybe you should refrain from the incendiary language, and that would be a start in your own little way of refusing to politicize this? Ya think?


    ....A few Democrats are attempting to get political mileage by accusing Republicans in the intelligence community of purposely withholding the intel in order to make Obama look bad by allowing scores of innocent men, women, and children to be blown to bits. This is unconscienable BS. My wife, who is a dyed in the wool Liberal, saw someone on Keith Olberman make this claim, and she told me she wanted to puke. She is really pissed, not at Republicans, but at any Democrat who could be such a scumbag as to politicize this issue in such a monstrous way.

    Oh please. Spare me the 'a few bad apples' stuff. The very fact that you use an analogy including how you watch Keith Olberman (one of the three viewers no doubt) a man that has entrenched a reputation as nothing more than a partisan flame thrower, and hack, is just to me evidence of where you are coming from.


    4) To both Republicans and Democrats who are attempting to gain political points by such unscrupulous methods - Please, please, just go die in a fire. You are poison to America. Leave. Dead or alive, I don't care how you choose to go. Just get your sick and twisted asses the hell out of my country, and join al Qaeda, who appreciate terrorism.....

    This country is no more yours alone, than it is mine. It is not "unscrupulous" to point out the flaws in Obama's thinking, or execution in this war. Liberals made a pass time of it for the past eight years...You do remember don't you?


    And make no mistake about it - Terrorism can can be done with a pen or a word, just as it can be with a sword, or a bomb, for that matter. If your sick and disgusting rhetoric is able to shut down our government, even just a little, then you have accomplished the same ends that suicide bombers constantly seek. Get the **** out of here, and go align with your real allies. You are not Americans.

    But your not questioning anyones patriotism now are you?


    In the end, this looks like a breakdown in the intelligence community. Let's work towards fixing the problem, and leave the cheap and twisted political rhetoric where it belongs, in places nonexistent.

    So the buck stops with anyone but Dear Leader with you eh? Mr. Independent?





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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Honestly - if our Government cannot handle security for 300+ people at a White House dinner that's allegedly locked down tighter than a frogs ass, are we REALLY suprised about a potential bomber getting on a plane successfully and carrying out 99% of the event sans explosion?

    REALLY?

    The only thing this guy didn't do is wear a sandwich board with neon glow in the dark paint saying "I'M A ****ING TERRORIST. I HAVE A BOMB. I WORK FOR AL QAEDA (AL-KAY-DUH).
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I don't really get what this had to do with Obama or his administration. Most of the security checks were put into place before any of them came into office. The problem really was human error as I said in many threads before this one. Clear intelligence information was either ignored or not relayed to the key people that could have stopped the Nigerian from carrying out his plan.

    The problem isn't the security system, it's the humans who aren't doing it properly.

    I couldn't agree more.


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    December 27, 2009
    Categories:State of the Union
    Napolitano: "The system worked"
    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Sunday that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up an Amsterdam-Detroit airline flight Christmas Day demonstrated that "the system worked."

    Asked by CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union" how that could be possible when the young Nigerian who has been charged with trying to set off the bomb was able to smuggle explosive liquid onto the jet, Napolitano responded: "We're asking the same questions."

    Napolitano added that there was "no suggestion that [the suspect] was improperly screened."......
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Honestly - if our Government cannot handle security for 300+ people at a White House dinner that's allegedly locked down tighter than a frogs ass, are we REALLY suprised about a potential bomber getting on a plane successfully and carrying out 99% of the event sans explosion?

    REALLY?

    The only thing this guy didn't do is wear a sandwich board with neon glow in the dark paint saying "I'M A ****ING TERRORIST. I HAVE A BOMB. I WORK FOR AL QAEDA (AL-KAY-DUH).

    That is exactly right! I heard Obama's mouthpiece on the Sunday talk shows this past weekend, and on all 4 shows he floated this notion that there just wasn't any "smoking gun"......That brings up two different points here.

    1) Is this administration so inept that they can't piece together the obvious clues that any American with a 6th grade education can see off the bat? There wasn't any ONE smoking gun, there were several!

    2) Or, is this now policy directive handed down from the top to lighten up America's security apparatus in hopes of sending the message that we are now a kinder gentler America, and shouldn't be attacked because The One is now in office? Well, AQ is not getting the message.


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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Well, that'll be an on going problem until robots take over 100% of security measures. Maybe we need better humans doing a better job? Ever take a close look at the TSA people in the airports? Dunno about your part of the country but in mine, most I wouldn't trust to walk my dog successfully... just saying...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is exactly right! I heard Obama's mouthpiece on the Sunday talk shows this past weekend, and on all 4 shows he floated this notion that there just wasn't any "smoking gun"......That brings up two different points here.

    1) Is this administration so inept that they can't piece together the obvious clues that any American with a 6th grade education can see off the bat? There wasn't any ONE smoking gun, there were several!

    2) Or, is this now policy directive handed down from the top to lighten up America's security apparatus in hopes of sending the message that we are now a kinder gentler America, and shouldn't be attacked because The One is now in office? Well, AQ is not getting the message.


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    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, that'll be an on going problem until robots take over 100% of security measures. Maybe we need better humans doing a better job? Ever take a close look at the TSA people in the airports? Dunno about your part of the country but in mine, most I wouldn't trust to walk my dog successfully... just saying...

    Maybe not robots so much as the right frame of mind in approaching this war, and some training in a hurry from Israel's El AL security forces.


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