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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That would alienate tourists and business partners which are a big source of revenue from coming to the U.S.
    So?

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    Better yet, why not just make a visa mandatory for all travelers and require an extensive screening process? That's what China does.
    Because we're not China.

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    Assume everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
    That what the TSA and Fatherland Security does already.

    That's the basis for searching everyone.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So?
    You see no problem in deepening the recession because of one aborted terrorist attack that could have been prevented if the intelligence community had done its job?

    Reactionism or what.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because we're not China.
    Might as well be with the way you're talking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That what the TSA and Fatherland Security does already.

    That's the basis for searching everyone.
    Only to a degree. The ones that are red flagged get the third degree from security, but everyone else gets a pass. If that weren't the case then passenger mobility would be severely compromised. What am I saying? It already is. No carry ons? Body scans? What a waste of time.

    First we saw hijackers with guns, so we got metal detectors. Then we saw box cutters and bombs so metal detectors weren't enough. We added x-ray machines.

    Then we saw liquid bombs, so we set limits for carry on liquids and increased searches. That was so effective we now see the latest evolution, the crotch bomber. So we're going to spend a fortune on those very revealing body scan machines.

    What are we going to get when the crazies hide their liquid bombs in their body cavities? When the Crotch Bomber is replaced by the anus bomber, what will be the response of those clever, reactive folks in charge of our security?

    Implementing the security measure after the fact is not going to do anything. The terrorists will just do something new each time.

    The companies that make all this crazy security technology are rolling in the dough. Do you not find it strange how fast the body scanners were implemented after the recent aborted attack coming from Amsterdam? You can bet that contract was already in the works.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You see no problem in deepening the recession because of one aborted terrorist attack that could have been prevented if the intelligence community had done its job?

    Reactionism or what.
    Why are you assuming my position has been taken after the Panty Raid?

    The problems with the US economy involve a government that's ten times too large. Tourism isn't a significant factor in what's happening in this economy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Might as well be with the way you're talking.
    You mean requiring foreigners to have permission to enter the country before they board an aircraft landing in the US?

    Well, if China uses common sense like that, why shouldn't other nations imitate them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Only to a degree. The ones that are red flagged get the third degree from security, but everyone else gets a pass. If that weren't the case then passenger mobility would be severely compromised. What am I saying? It already is. No carry ons? Body scans? What a waste of time.
    So you believe that Obama is turning this nation into the real communist China, as far as domestic air travel is concerned, not the fake China you're trying to accuse me of doing.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    it's not just napolitano, gibbs too first said the system worked

    remember when the white house sent geithner and summers on mtp and ftn to suggest raising taxes on the middle class, then pulled it all back THE NEXT DAY, claiming obama's 2 top econ advisers "misspoke?"

    LOL!

    yesterday, the white house was still insisting on repatriating yemenis currently held at gitmo

    today (big surprise), 180 degree reversal

    except he just released 6 in december

    he ordered foreign airports in fourteen named naughty nations to institute pat downs and comprehensive suitcase screenings

    half the countries so directed have basically flipped off our perplexed president

    several have expressed affront, offense

    what leverage does he idiotically, foolishly believe he holds over libya?

    over lebanon, syria, iran...?

    he can't see two moves ahead what's obviously gonna happen if he demands assad's compliance?

    can't he see the opportunity provided the like to totally dis him, humiliate him?

    in public?

    why does he repeatedly put himself in such supine positions?

    he's blamed our intel for blowing it

    how, by failing to halt an "isolated extremist?"

    but suddenly today he praises the fbi for prying "actionable intelligence" from mutallab

    apparently, that was just before ag holder hustled the jihadist into criminal court, lawyering him up, silencing him, and trying to bribe "actionable intel" out of the punk with promises of a plea

    today, obama's talking "war," but yesterday it was "crime"

    why this huge hurry to haul the hitman away from his military handlers?

    is it a matter of national security?

    or is it obama's odd AGENDA?

    either way, we likely won't be getting any more actionable intel from the jihadist

    why can't the president pronounce the word, "jihad?"

    he wants the yemeni govt to take action, us supported, against aq in the peninsula

    but saleh knows that any actions he takes against the terrorists in his mountains means political suicide for the hard-pressed president of yemen

    so his people have "downplayed the partnership"

    "the threat posed by aq has been exaggerated," and "yemen is not a haven for militants," they say

    so obama closes the embassy

    he'll never close gitmo per his jan 22 deadline, and he doesn't seem to comprehend the political and military connections between all these events

    keep in mind, the guys still at gitmo are the most hardened of haters, deemed the highest security risks from the start

    the president has put himself in a position where policy success for him depends on the right action and efficacy of zardari in pakistan and saleh in yemen

    i personally have never seen such incompetence

    the prez is all over the place, he's changing everyday and contradicting himself

    how are his subordinates to know exactly what he wants and expects them to do?

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    Freed Guantánamo inmates are heading for Yemen to join al-Qaeda fight - Times Online

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Dan,

    Let's not forget that the Obamer administration is politicizing this, as well. They will bring forth an expose (maybe commission it like what was done with the 9/11) and will offer Federal solutions to the break down of intelligence.

    The vice grip is getting tighter.
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Agree fully. This like 9/11 was a total breakdown in the intelligence community.

    I mean if you look at the amount of intelligence agencies the US has, then one has to wonder how much overlap there is and wasted money and resources that is going on. .
    Amen to that:

    United States Intelligence Community
    National Intelligence Council [NIC]
    National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)
    Central Intelligence Agency
    National Security Agency
    National Reconnaissance Office
    National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
    Defense Intelligence Agency
    Federal Bureau of Investigation
    Department of Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis
    Assistant to the Secretary for Intelligence Oversight Official
    Defense Information Systems Agency
    Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
    Defense Protective Service
    Defense Security Service
    US Special Operations Command
    Intelligence and Security Command
    Office of Naval Intelligence
    Naval Security Group Command
    Naval Criminal Investigative Service
    Air Force Technical Applications Center
    Air Intelligence Agency
    National Security Council
    President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
    Office of National Drug Control Policy
    Office of Intelligence
    Justice Intelligence Coordinating Council
    OIG - Office of the Inspector General
    DEA - Drug Enforcement Administration
    NDIC - National Drug Intelligence Center
    USNCB - U.S. National Central Bureau
    INR - Bureau of Intelligence & Research
    INL - Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs
    CT - Counterterrorism Office
    DS - Bureau of Diplomatic Security
    Office of Intelligence Support
    Information Security Oversight Office


    I'm sorry but having this many redundant intelligence agencies is ridiculous and a God awful waste of money. And if they don't always work with each other...
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Amen to that:

    United States Intelligence Community
    National Intelligence Council [NIC]
    National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)
    Central Intelligence Agency
    National Security Agency
    National Reconnaissance Office
    National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
    Defense Intelligence Agency
    Federal Bureau of Investigation
    Department of Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis
    Assistant to the Secretary for Intelligence Oversight Official
    Defense Information Systems Agency
    Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
    Defense Protective Service
    Defense Security Service
    US Special Operations Command
    Intelligence and Security Command
    Office of Naval Intelligence
    Naval Security Group Command
    Naval Criminal Investigative Service
    Air Force Technical Applications Center
    Air Intelligence Agency
    National Security Council
    President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
    Office of National Drug Control Policy
    Office of Intelligence
    Justice Intelligence Coordinating Council
    OIG - Office of the Inspector General
    DEA - Drug Enforcement Administration
    NDIC - National Drug Intelligence Center
    USNCB - U.S. National Central Bureau
    INR - Bureau of Intelligence & Research
    INL - Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs
    CT - Counterterrorism Office
    DS - Bureau of Diplomatic Security
    Office of Intelligence Support
    Information Security Oversight Office


    I'm sorry but having this many redundant intelligence agencies is ridiculous and a God awful waste of money. And if they don't always work with each other...
    Is it just me, or does anybody else see the word "intelligence" many times in that list, but not see any intelligence?
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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    I'm sorry boys and girls but using the word intelligence in connection in any way with Obama is exceptionally stupid. Obama has so far proven to be the worst dumb ass to ever be in the White House.

    So far nothing he's done or said was good for America, and so far everyone who backs him has shown they are mental retards. Nothing this imbecilic idiot has said or done has made sense or is good for America. But retards still defends this idiot.

    I challenge the retards to present one thing this anti American dumb ass has said or done that is good for America.

    Health care reform? Sorry wrong it doesn't address it core issues.

    Cap and Trade? Sorry the whole thing is based on the HOAX of man caused Global warming.

    Obama does nothing but lie and when caught in his lies he create a bigger lie to cover for it.

    When we point out Obama lies we are called racists because he's black. Get grip retards, we never refer to him as a black or as a nigger, those are your words not ours. We go after what the anti American says and does, retards tend to fill in the blanks to suit themselves.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no

    obama called mutallab an "isolated extremist"
    Anyone else try attacking the US that day? He was isolated as in he was not part of a bigger plot. Stop spinning Obama's words.

    he took the same too early tack he took with hasan, and for the same reason
    Hasan was not a terrorist. He may have been a murderer that was motivated be Religion, but he was not a terrorist.


    the admin failed to follow up on al awlaki, even after his contacts with the hood hitman were known
    Link? Source?

    nancy drew woulda followed up THAT lead
    The lead would have had to have existed first for her to follow it, and since it didn't...

    had intel gone there, they'd have found the warnings awlaki was warbling about a nigerian underwear bomber on christmas
    You overestimate the ability of our intelligence agencies. They are not omnipotent.

    can you imagine what the previous admin would have done with major hasan's computer?
    Same thing the current one did.
    obama still insists on returning yemenis from gitmo
    Bush let the ones who plotted this attack go.

    obama, for no cogent reason, yanked mutallab away from his military handlers and lawyered him up for civil court
    The reason would be Justice, the American Ideals, Morals, etc.
    this is the precise instant the kid from nigeria stopped talking
    Hate to tell you, but Torture is actually the most ineffective means of gathering intel that there is.

    when brennan was pressed for an upside to trying mutallab in criminal court on cnn's state of the union, he mumbled something about mutallab's need to cooperate with prosecutors in order to win legal concessions
    Who the hell is Brennan?

    I can name upsides. It shows the terrorists that no matter how many times they attack American ideals, we will not forfeit them in fear. It shows that we have confidence in our Justice system as a nation. It shows that we believe peers will find this man guilty, and that Justice will be served.

    no, this is a political disaster for the white house
    If by political disaster you mean the right thing to do, then yeah, it is.

    and, like all the others, it's the admin's own doing
    This Administration seems to be doing a good job then.
    Last edited by ScottD; 01-06-10 at 08:31 AM.

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    Re: Obama: 'Intelligence community' blew air bomber tip

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Anyone else try attacking the US that day? He was isolated as in he was not part of a bigger plot. Stop spinning Obama's words.
    spinning obama's words?

    "isolated extremist?"

    no part of a bigger plot?

    LOL!

    Hasan was not a terrorist. He may have been a murderer that was motivated be Religion, but he was not a terrorist.
    LOL!

    neither is awlaki

    Link? Source?
    Islamic Radicalization: Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab - Newsweek.com

    The lead would have had to have existed first for her to follow it, and since it didn't...
    the connections between hasan and awlaki and awlaki and mutallab...

    LOL!

    You overestimate the ability of our intelligence agencies. They are not omnipotent.
    sure, from hasan to awlaki to mutallab

    too much potency required

    LOL!

    Same thing the current one did.
    well, based on reputations...

    Bush let the ones who plotted this attack go.
    no kidding

    The reason would be Justice, the American Ideals, Morals, etc.
    a little music here?

    Hate to tell you, but Torture is actually the most ineffective means of gathering intel that there is.
    torture?

    LOL!

    where the heck did that come from?

    no one tortured mutallab that i know of

    maybe YOU could provide the link

    LOL!

    Who the hell is Brennan?
    LOLOLOL!

    I can name upsides. It shows the terrorists that no matter how many times they attack American ideals, we will not forfeit them in fear. It shows that we have confidence in our Justice system as a nation. It shows that we believe peers will find this man guilty, and that Justice will be served.
    ooh, that's pretty

    maybe you could teach it to brennan

    If by political disaster you mean the right thing to do, then yeah, it is.
    then the jingle bells jihadist is HELPING obama politically

    This Administration seems to be doing a good job then.
    super

    tell it to ritter, dodd and dorgan

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