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    US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    The US has finally lifted its immigration ban on sufferers of HIV/Aids.

    America shared a stance, unusually i might add, with some pretty oppressive regimes.

    "The US is one of only a dozen countries - including Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Russia - that ban travel and immigration for HIV-positive people."

    BBC NEWS | Americas | US set to overturn HIV travel ban

    and today

    It has lifted the 22 year ban

    BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    The US has finally lifted its immigration ban on sufferers of HIV/Aids.

    America shared a stance, unusually i might add, with some pretty oppressive regimes.

    "The US is one of only a dozen countries - including Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Russia - that ban travel and immigration for HIV-positive people."

    BBC NEWS | Americas | US set to overturn HIV travel ban

    and today

    It has lifted the 22 year ban

    BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

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    Out of curiosity, why did they change that?

    None of the stories say why.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Out of curiosity, why did they change that?

    None of the stories say why.
    I asked myself that same question. I,m presuming when you look at the facts, on HIV and AIDS, you see a policy such as this serves no purpose and is discriminatory. It was probably implemented on a knee jerk reaction, when perhaps the causes and ways of catching them were less understood. That doesn't explain why its took 22yrs to get the ban lifted. This of course is just my opinion.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I asked myself that same question. I,m presuming when you look at the facts, on HIV and AIDS, you see a policy such as this serves no purpose and is discriminatory. It was probably implemented on a knee jerk reaction, when perhaps the causes and ways of catching them were less understood. That doesn't explain why its took 22yrs to get the ban lifted. This of course is just my opinion.

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    I don't know if I agree with that or not.

    I'll have to think on it.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I asked myself that same question. I,m presuming when you look at the facts, on HIV and AIDS, you see a policy such as this serves no purpose and is discriminatory. It was probably implemented on a knee jerk reaction, when perhaps the causes and ways of catching them were less understood. That doesn't explain why its took 22yrs to get the ban lifted. This of course is just my opinion.

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    It was implemented as a knee jerk reaction no doubts about that.

    Why it was kept in place for so long is a good question.

    But consider this. For those 22 years, 8 years was under a Democratic president and the rest under Republican. In no way would such a ban be turned over by a Republican President, as it would piss off the base too much. That leaves 8 years of Clinton for it to be overturned. Problem comes here that most of Clinton's presidency was with a hostile Congress which in no way would allow such a victory for the President at the time, and the very fact that Clinton came to power a few years after the ban came into place so it was still in the "dumb" years of AIDs/HIV thinking. So in many ways, it was only now that it was possible to get rid of the ban where the religious conservatives were push out in all aspects of government and sanity has been put back (at least on this issue).
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It was implemented as a knee jerk reaction no doubts about that.

    Why it was kept in place for so long is a good question.

    But consider this. For those 22 years, 8 years was under a Democratic president and the rest under Republican. In no way would such a ban be turned over by a Republican President, as it would piss off the base too much. That leaves 8 years of Clinton for it to be overturned. Problem comes here that most of Clinton's presidency was with a hostile Congress which in no way would allow such a victory for the President at the time, and the very fact that Clinton came to power a few years after the ban came into place so it was still in the "dumb" years of AIDs/HIV thinking. So in many ways, it was only now that it was possible to get rid of the ban where the religious conservatives were push out in all aspects of government and sanity has been put back (at least on this issue).
    "The bill, including the provision lifting the ban, will now go to a joint committee of the House of Representatives and the Senate, where any differences will be ironed out, before going to President George W Bush for approval."

    "President Bush has already indicated that he supports the bill."

    BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Geesh man, did you really have to turn this into a partisan thing?
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    "The bill, including the provision lifting the ban, will now go to a joint committee of the House of Representatives and the Senate, where any differences will be ironed out, before going to President George W Bush for approval."

    "President Bush has already indicated that he supports the bill."

    BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Geesh man, did you really have to turn this into a partisan thing?
    I stand corrected.

    But then why was the ban kept in place for 22 years if not for partisan politics? I mean the doctors and experts surely did not recommend this ban.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    The US has finally lifted its immigration ban on sufferers of HIV/Aids.

    America shared a stance, unusually i might add, with some pretty oppressive regimes.

    "The US is one of only a dozen countries - including Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Russia - that ban travel and immigration for HIV-positive people."

    BBC NEWS | Americas | US set to overturn HIV travel ban

    and today

    It has lifted the 22 year ban

    BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Paul

    We should not be allowing anyone into this country with a deadly or dangerous disease, especially when the clowns in office are trying to implement socialized medicine.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-04-10 at 09:44 AM.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should not be allowing anyone into this country with a deadly or dangerous disease, especially when the clowns in office are trying to implement socialized medicine.
    Yea man, you better be careful YOU may use the same toilet seat, or worse still unknowingly shake the hand of a person with HIV or AIDS!!

    I suggest the safest course of action, is to put an extra tier on the barricade outside your cave.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Yea man, you better be careful YOU may use the same toilet seat, or worse still unknowingly shake the hand of a person with HIV or AIDS!!

    I suggest the safest course of action, is to put an extra tier on the barricade outside your cave.

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    The fact that I do not want problems imported over here or pay for their treatments (if the clowns in office have it their way)does not make me a caveman as you liberal asswipes try to paint me. We have enough AIDS/HIV patients of our own, we do not need to add to that. I am fully aware that you can not get AIDs/HIV by shaking someone's hand or using the same toilet as someone with AIDs/HIV. I still do not want those people in this country. Most of them have HIV/AIDs in the first place because of the lack of common sense on their part they either had unprotected sex or used dirty needles so they do present a danger to the 1 in four 4 Americans who lack any common sense.http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/librar...il2protect.htm


    I realize that some may have gotten raped, born with it or got it due to dirty hospital equipment those things however can not be proven unless the person in question is a small child.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-04-10 at 11:38 AM.
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