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US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

gunner said:
I asked myself that same question. I,m presuming when you look at the facts, on HIV and AIDS, you see a policy such as this serves no purpose and is discriminatory. It was probably implemented on a knee jerk reaction, when perhaps the causes and ways of catching them were less understood. That doesn't explain why its took 22yrs to get the ban lifted. This of course is just my opinion.

Paul
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Discrimination is good.

Are the HIV infected people going to both promise to not have sex with Americans and keep that promise?

There's no reason the US has to admit someone into the US just because they want to come in.
 
Partisan said:
Orius said:
If there is such a risk, it has always been there. People aren't forced to do blood screenings at immigration, so we are relying on their own testimony and visible appearance of vitality as indicators of health.

When Ellis Island was open, you did have to undergo a health check, if you had, TB, conjunctivitis, etc., you were denied access & it should be that way now.....;)


What's this 'we' crap, are you a U.S. citizen, or a Canadian?......
British Columbia is already over-run with immigrants, now you would add diseased ones as well?.....;)
If they are so valuable, Canada can take them, they need the help....
If a doctor does not have accredidation from a U.S. recognized school, their MD degree is worthless here, that's why you see Pakis driving cab in NYC....;)
Besides we already have too many lawyers here anyway....:lol:



Immigration?... Fine....
Diseased immigration?.... NO THANKS!
Besides that, you are using exceptional examples, the average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled.....;)
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The average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled?
We have too many lawyers anyway?
I wonder if there are any immigrants that have gone on to invent things we find invaluable? If only I could think of one...
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PeteEU said:
I stand corrected.

But then why was the ban kept in place for 22 years if not for partisan politics? I mean the doctors and experts surely did not recommend this ban.
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Because it's a good idea, is why.

Is there some reason the US should have to allow diseased people in?
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
Partisan said:
The average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled?
We have too many lawyers anyway?
I wonder if there are any immigrants that have gone on to invent things we find invaluable? If only I could think of one...
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Of course, but were they diseased immigrants?.....:confused:
Not likely.....;)
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PeteEU said:
By promoting abstinence only over condom use in the US AID sent to Africa.
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You mean telling the people that if they don't run around promiscuously and don't do intravenous drugs they can't get infected?

You've some objection to the truth?
 
PeteEU said:
Did I say that?

Do you deny there are provision's in Bush's plan that stipulate things like abstinence-focused prevention programs and no needle exchange programs? That the attitude was up till the Obama administration, that abstinence programs were best and should be promoted over everything else?
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Abstinence is the best prevention for HIV.

Get used to it.
 
Orius said:
There aren't bans on people with hepatitis, herpes, cancer, the flu, or any other potentially lethal disease, so why does AIDS get special treatment? The immigration policy was a symbol of stigma, nothing else.
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In other words, the ban should be expanded, not removed.

I'm with ya.
 
Orius said:
They are presumably coming to the U.S. for a better life and I see no reason to deny them that just because they have AIDS.
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That's a perfectly valid reason to exclude them. Immigrants should present neither a health risk to the general public nor a burden upon the taxpayer.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
That's a perfectly valid reason to exclude them. Immigrants should present neither a health risk to the general public nor a burden upon the taxpayer.
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HIV is already rampant amongst the population, it is a useless gesture to ban people immigrating here on such a basis.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
So you're against freedom? Do you have some statistic on immigrants with HIV/AIDS infecting others or are you just afraid of shadows and like to try and scare others too?
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Hmmm.....immigrants who are not infected with HIV present a 0.00% risk of infecting others with HIV. HIV infected immigrants present a risk of transmission >0%.

Good enough for me.

Since this is a free country, we do have the freedom to slam the doors in the face of anyone not meeting our standards for admission.
 
Warspite said:
HIV is already rampant amongst the population, it is a useless gesture to ban people immigrating here on such a basis.
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No, it prevents an increase in the number of disease vectors. Is there some reason they can't go to France?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No, it prevents an increase in the number of disease vectors. Is there some reason they can't go to France?
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The people who are legally allowed to immigrate here are usually skilled and thus knowledgeable enough to take preventative measures. As said, HIV is low risk transmission compared to influenze and tuberculosis - there is no practical need to ban HIV infected immigrants.

They really should, they won't be treated like scum in the manner of American medical patients.
 
Orius said:
Why?

You still haven't given a reason.
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Hmmm...someone says "there's no good reason to admit people with an infectious disease into the US" and you say he hasn't presents a "reason"?

How about the fact that the person has an infectious disease, especially an infectious fatal disease?

Orius said:
AIDS has low risk transmission status because it can only be transmitted by blood, just like hepatitis... but people with hepatitis can enter the U.S.
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Really? HIV can only be transmitted by blood? Is that what I just quoted you as saying? You're not aware that the primary method of disease transmission is hot beef injections?

People with hepatitis should not be allowed into the country.
 
Orius said:
What if an infected person is a doctor? Are we going to reject a trained professional who could offer benefits to our society because of their minimal risk? A lawyer? An engineer? A scientist?
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Sure.

It's not hard to find doctor and engineer and scientist immigrants who aren't infected.

We should never import lawyers. Not ever. They may not be infected with a disease, it doesn't matter. They are a disease.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
So then you think freedom is just something only American citizens should enjoy?
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If by "freedom" you mean the freedom to cross the US border at whim, then the answer is "what the **** do you think national borders are for?" and "of course foreigners aren't free to come and go as they please".

Duh.

NoJingoLingo said:
I'm sure I could find postings from you on how we have the greatest health care in the world, so why would you deny someone access to it?
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Because they're not US citizens.

NoJingoLingo said:
Doesn't everyone deserve democracy or is that just a hollow chant?
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They can either have democracy in their own country, or their can take their disease to France.

I'm easy.

NoJingoLingo said:
If they want the freedoms we have they can only come here if they are the ones you like?
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Sounds reasonable.

NoJingoLingo said:
Go tell Magic Johnson that you want him to leave the country because he is infected.
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I will when I meet him. However, since he is a US citizen, he's not really germaine to the thread topic.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Sure.

It's not hard to find doctor and engineer and scientist immigrants who aren't infected.

We should never import lawyers. Not ever. They may not be infected with a disease, it doesn't matter. They are a disease.
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I forget how America despises academics sometimes - maybe if you imported more of them you'd have a decent healthcare system or understand why banning HIV positive legal immigrants is like trying to fireproof a burning house.
 
Warspite said:
I forget how America despises academics sometimes - maybe if you imported more of them you'd have a decent healthcare system or understand why banning HIV positive legal immigrants is like trying to fireproof a burning house.
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All the more reason for them to stay out of this horrible country....:doh

Is not throwing water on the fire considered 'fireproofing?'......;)

Ok, what's FUD?....
I'm not familiar with FUD.....
You can PM me with the definition if it is not suitable for public viewing....;)
 
Partisan said:
Is not throwing water on the fire considered 'fireproofing?'......;)
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In this case, throwing water on the fire would be equivalent to curing HIV, vaccinating against it, or educating people on preventative measures - if the country did not already have HIV present in severe levels then you might have a point. As it stands, you don't.

Ok, what's FUD?....
I'm not familiar with FUD.....
You can PM me with the definition if it is not suitable for public viewing....;)
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Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt - the hallmark of propaganda.
 
Warspite said:
In this case, throwing water on the fire would be equivalent to curing HIV, vaccinating against it, or educating people on preventative measures - if the country did not already have HIV present in severe levels then you might have a point. As it stands, you don't.

Meh, the part of the population most affected does not make it severe....;)
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt - the hallmark of propaganda.
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What propoganda?.....
It is a deadly, infectious disease, end of story.....;)
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