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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's 100% true that HIV infected immigrants who are not allowed into the United States cannot infect a person in the United States.

    Unless their dick is a hundred feet long, I suppose.
    So you don't have any evidence then? Case dismissed, you can go now.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We don't despise academics, unless they're retarded enough to be socialists also, and we don't despise HIV infected academics, except to note that their vaunted education gives them no excuse for having allowed themselves to get infected, and thus if they did get infected, they're clearly not the brightest people and they should immigrate to some second-rate country, not the US.
    Middle America does despise academics, actually, or else you would understand the service lawyers and teachers do for society and not bitch about "the liberal elite" in reference to University culture.

    Not everyone "allows" themselves to get infected, you know.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    So you don't have any evidence then? Case dismissed, you can go now.
    That was evidence.

    How about you citing a pressing need of the US to admit these diseased individuals to support your case. There's absolutely no reason the doors to the US be thrown open to everyone, so present the case of needs the commands us to accept these people.

    The fact that people who aren't allowed into the US can't infect people in the US is irrefutable and sufficient to justify denying diseased people entrance.

    Explain why we need to admit diseased individuals.

    Stating that we need doctors, engineers, etc is insufficient, since our need isn't that great and such a claim ignores the fact that we can simply choose skilled persons who aren't infected.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Middle America does despise academics, actually, or else you would understand the service lawyers and teachers do for society and not bitch about "the liberal elite" in reference to University culture.

    Not everyone "allows" themselves to get infected, you know.
    Exactly, you can be exposed without volunteering....
    Don't look now, but you are bolstering the arguement for banning....
    Your veiled disdain for the U.S. is duly noted as well.....
    Why do foreigners insist on passing judgement on our internal affairs?.....

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That was evidence.

    How about you citing a pressing need of the US to admit these diseased individuals to support your case. There's absolutely no reason the doors to the US be thrown open to everyone, so present the case of needs the commands us to accept these people.

    The fact that people who aren't allowed into the US can't infect people in the US is irrefutable and sufficient to justify denying diseased people entrance.

    Explain why we need to admit diseased individuals.

    Stating that we need doctors, engineers, etc is insufficient, since our need isn't that great and such a claim ignores the fact that we can simply choose skilled persons who aren't infected.
    Your asking her to prove a negative......

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Middle America does despise academics, actually, or else you would understand the service lawyers and teachers do for society and not bitch about "the liberal elite" in reference to University culture.
    So you like building straw men.

    "Teachers" aren't "academics". You would know this if you talked to them.

    Lawyers aren't academics. You would know this if you were willing to admit the disservice they do to this country.

    Since I've been to school, I'm perfectly aware of what the "university culture" is, and all real Americans despise that nonsense. People with no real world experience, ie, academics, should not be looked up to by people who's problems aren't what you would call "academic".

    Then again, I was not an impressionable little child when I went to college, but a military service vet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Not everyone "allows" themselves to get infected, you know.
    In all seriousness, how many people get infected by needle sticks while working at the hospital as opposed to the other traditional methods of injecting HIV into a person, and why should we accept the clumsy immigrants who really are infected by accidental needle jabs when we can choose non-clumsy unjabbed uninfected medical professionals instead?
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 01-05-10 at 03:30 PM.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Your asking her to prove a negative......
    Obviously not.

    I'm asking her to present arguments sustaining her claim that we have a need for infected immigrants.

    If we don't need them, there's no reason to allow them, since they present a non-zero risk to the citizenry.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post

    Of course, but were they diseased immigrants?.....
    Not likely.....
    I think it's highly likely. Now what? My unsubstantiated claim is just as valid as yours.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean telling the people that if they don't run around promiscuously and don't do intravenous drugs they can't get infected?

    You've some objection to the truth?
    I've an objection to half truths.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Abstinence is the best prevention for HIV.

    Get used to it.
    But not the only method of prevention.

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