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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Why not all infectious diseases? Round them all up and ship them off to an island. After all, any risk is unacceptable.
    Again, this is not about U.S. citizens, but diseased would be immigrants....

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Out of curiosity, why did they change that?

    None of the stories say why.

    To appease the gays who aren't happy with their Messiah's backtracking on his promise of full gay access to the shower rooms of the US military.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I asked myself that same question. I,m presuming when you look at the facts, on HIV and AIDS, you see a policy such as this serves no purpose and is discriminatory. It was probably implemented on a knee jerk reaction, when perhaps the causes and ways of catching them were less understood. That doesn't explain why its took 22yrs to get the ban lifted. This of course is just my opinion.

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    Discrimination is good.

    Are the HIV infected people going to both promise to not have sex with Americans and keep that promise?

    There's no reason the US has to admit someone into the US just because they want to come in.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If there is such a risk, it has always been there. People aren't forced to do blood screenings at immigration, so we are relying on their own testimony and visible appearance of vitality as indicators of health.

    When Ellis Island was open, you did have to undergo a health check, if you had, TB, conjunctivitis, etc., you were denied access & it should be that way now.....


    What's this 'we' crap, are you a U.S. citizen, or a Canadian?......
    British Columbia is already over-run with immigrants, now you would add diseased ones as well?.....
    If they are so valuable, Canada can take them, they need the help....
    If a doctor does not have accredidation from a U.S. recognized school, their MD degree is worthless here, that's why you see Pakis driving cab in NYC....
    Besides we already have too many lawyers here anyway....



    Immigration?... Fine....
    Diseased immigration?.... NO THANKS!
    Besides that, you are using exceptional examples, the average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled.....
    The average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled?
    We have too many lawyers anyway?
    I wonder if there are any immigrants that have gone on to invent things we find invaluable? If only I could think of one...

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I stand corrected.

    But then why was the ban kept in place for 22 years if not for partisan politics? I mean the doctors and experts surely did not recommend this ban.
    Because it's a good idea, is why.

    Is there some reason the US should have to allow diseased people in?
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post

    The average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled?
    We have too many lawyers anyway?
    I wonder if there are any immigrants that have gone on to invent things we find invaluable? If only I could think of one...
    Of course, but were they diseased immigrants?.....
    Not likely.....

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    By promoting abstinence only over condom use in the US AID sent to Africa.
    You mean telling the people that if they don't run around promiscuously and don't do intravenous drugs they can't get infected?

    You've some objection to the truth?

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Did I say that?

    Do you deny there are provision's in Bush's plan that stipulate things like abstinence-focused prevention programs and no needle exchange programs? That the attitude was up till the Obama administration, that abstinence programs were best and should be promoted over everything else?
    Abstinence is the best prevention for HIV.

    Get used to it.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post

    The average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled?
    We have too many lawyers anyway?
    I wonder if there are any immigrants that have gone on to invent things we find invaluable? If only I could think of one...
    Past or present, and is this a requirement?
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Abstinence is the best prevention for HIV.

    Get used to it.
    True, but it's the least practical in social terms.
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