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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should not be allowing anyone into this country with a deadly or dangerous disease, especially when the clowns in office are trying to implement socialized medicine.
    When you say "socialized medicine" did you mean Medicare, medicaid or our the military medical corp?

    We already have HIV/AIDS in this country and we know how it's spread so only the ignorant need be fearful.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Right. We "promoted" the spread of AIDS in Africa because we didn't buy them their condoms.

    Typical Pete.
    Did I say that?

    Do you deny there are provision's in Bush's plan that stipulate things like abstinence-focused prevention programs and no needle exchange programs? That the attitude was up till the Obama administration, that abstinence programs were best and should be promoted over everything else?
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Did I say that?

    Do you deny there are provision's in Bush's plan that stipulate things like abstinence-focused prevention programs and no needle exchange programs? That the attitude was up till the Obama administration, that abstinence programs were best and should be promoted over everything else?
    You just said it again.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    "The bill, including the provision lifting the ban, will now go to a joint committee of the House of Representatives and the Senate, where any differences will be ironed out, before going to President George W Bush for approval."

    "President Bush has already indicated that he supports the bill."

    BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Geesh man, did you really have to turn this into a partisan thing?
    Of course he did, since he had nothing of substance to add.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Did I say that?

    Do you deny there are provision's in Bush's plan that stipulate things like abstinence-focused prevention programs and no needle exchange programs? That the attitude was up till the Obama administration, that abstinence programs were best and should be promoted over everything else?
    Did you know that Bush sent more AIDS money to Africa than anyone else in history?
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    When you say "socialized medicine" did you mean Medicare, medicaid or our the military medical corp?
    And you want to add more people to that why?

    We already have HIV/AIDS in this country
    We do not need to import anymore.

    and we know how it's spread so only the ignorant need be fearful.
    Considering the fact it is estimated that 1 in 4 Americans has or will get a STD we do not need to expose those people to imported diseases.Not everybody who got aids/HIV got it due to intravenous drug use or unprotected sex,some got it due to rape,being born with it or tainted medical supplies.
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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And you want to add more people to that why?



    We do not need to import anymore.



    Considering the fact it is estimated that 1 in 4 Americans has or will get a STD we do not need to expose those people to imported diseases.Not everybody who got aids/HIV got it due to intravenous drug use or unprotected sex,some got it due to rape,being born with it or tainted medical supplies.
    Agree....
    With every infected person allowed into the country, the odds of an innocent person becoming diseased increases....
    I just dont see the added value of allowing known diseased persons into this country....

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Did you know that Bush sent more AIDS money to Africa than anyone else in history?
    Yes, Geldoff and Bono mentioning this about Bush, he did send billions to Africa for the AIDS epidemic. It's an actual holocaust there.

    And the reason I'd scoff and dismiss 'gay' advocacy groups charges that Bush wasn't doing enough to fight this disease......in fact.....told the 'gay' community perhaps it was them not doing enough. Personal responsibility and accountability with this human behavior virus just as important, the 'gay' communities always confused me on that one. Why accuse others of not doing enough when it's the 'gay' communities the primary reason for the spread of AIDS in the US. They themselves could have doe the most for prevention and instead.....died like cattle.

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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Did I say that?

    Do you deny there are provision's in Bush's plan that stipulate things like abstinence-focused prevention programs and no needle exchange programs? That the attitude was up till the Obama administration, that abstinence programs were best and should be promoted over everything else?





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    Re: US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    The US has finally lifted its immigration ban on sufferers of HIV/Aids.

    America shared a stance, unusually i might add, with some pretty oppressive regimes.

    "The US is one of only a dozen countries - including Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Russia - that ban travel and immigration for HIV-positive people."

    BBC NEWS | Americas | US set to overturn HIV travel ban

    and today

    It has lifted the 22 year ban

    BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

    Paul
    There aren't bans on people with hepatitis, herpes, cancer, the flu, or any other potentially lethal disease, so why does AIDS get special treatment? The immigration policy was a symbol of stigma, nothing else.

    If people protect themselves when engaging in intercourse then they won't get AIDS. It's that simple. You have to be pretty stupid or ignorant to get it. People coming into the country aren't subject to blood screenings, so those with AIDS could just as easily not reveal their condition. So why reject those who do reveal it? That is punishing the honest.

    Letting them in is not going to change the over all situation.

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