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US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

NoJingoLingo said:
When you say "socialized medicine" did you mean Medicare, medicaid or our the military medical corp?
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And you want to add more people to that why?

We already have HIV/AIDS in this country
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We do not need to import anymore.

and we know how it's spread so only the ignorant need be fearful.
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Considering the fact it is estimated that 1 in 4 Americans has or will get a STD we do not need to expose those people to imported diseases.Not everybody who got aids/HIV got it due to intravenous drug use or unprotected sex,some got it due to rape,being born with it or tainted medical supplies.
 
jamesrage said:
And you want to add more people to that why?



We do not need to import anymore.



Considering the fact it is estimated that 1 in 4 Americans has or will get a STD we do not need to expose those people to imported diseases.Not everybody who got aids/HIV got it due to intravenous drug use or unprotected sex,some got it due to rape,being born with it or tainted medical supplies.
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Agree....
With every infected person allowed into the country, the odds of an innocent person becoming diseased increases....;)
I just dont see the added value of allowing known diseased persons into this country....:shock:
 
American said:
Did you know that Bush sent more AIDS money to Africa than anyone else in history?
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Yes, Geldoff and Bono mentioning this about Bush, he did send billions to Africa for the AIDS epidemic. It's an actual holocaust there.

And the reason I'd scoff and dismiss 'gay' advocacy groups charges that Bush wasn't doing enough to fight this disease......in fact.....told the 'gay' community perhaps it was them not doing enough. Personal responsibility and accountability with this human behavior virus just as important, the 'gay' communities always confused me on that one. Why accuse others of not doing enough when it's the 'gay' communities the primary reason for the spread of AIDS in the US. They themselves could have doe the most for prevention and instead.....died like cattle.

Oh well.
 
PeteEU said:
Did I say that?

Do you deny there are provision's in Bush's plan that stipulate things like abstinence-focused prevention programs and no needle exchange programs? That the attitude was up till the Obama administration, that abstinence programs were best and should be promoted over everything else?
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Do you always have to make it up as you go along?
 
gunner said:
The US has finally lifted its immigration ban on sufferers of HIV/Aids.

America shared a stance, unusually i might add, with some pretty oppressive regimes.

"The US is one of only a dozen countries - including Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Russia - that ban travel and immigration for HIV-positive people."

BBC NEWS | Americas | US set to overturn HIV travel ban

and today

It has lifted the 22 year ban

BBC News - US lifts HIV/Aids immigration ban

Paul
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There aren't bans on people with hepatitis, herpes, cancer, the flu, or any other potentially lethal disease, so why does AIDS get special treatment? The immigration policy was a symbol of stigma, nothing else.

If people protect themselves when engaging in intercourse then they won't get AIDS. It's that simple. You have to be pretty stupid or ignorant to get it. People coming into the country aren't subject to blood screenings, so those with AIDS could just as easily not reveal their condition. So why reject those who do reveal it? That is punishing the honest.

Letting them in is not going to change the over all situation.
 
Well, herpes and the flu typically aren't lethal, and you can't infect anyone with cancer.

Don't really know much about hepatitis.
 
Orius said:
There aren't bans on people with hepatitis, herpes, cancer, the flu, or any other potentially lethal disease, so why does AIDS get special treatment? The immigration policy was a symbol of stigma, nothing else.

If people protect themselves when engaging in intercourse then they won't get AIDS. It's that simple. You have to be pretty stupid or ignorant to get it. People coming into the country aren't subject to blood screenings, so those with AIDS could just as easily not reveal their condition. So why reject those who do reveal it? That is punishing the honest.

Letting them in is not going to change the over all situation.
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Well, by your reasoning, they are already stupid or ignorant if they are already infected.....:lol:
That poses the question: Why should we allow stupid, ignorant, deadly disease infected people into this country?.....:confused:
 
Harshaw said:
Well, herpes and the flu typically aren't lethal, and you can't infect anyone with cancer.

Don't really know much about hepatitis.
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Herpes can be a vector for HIV/AIDS (the reasons still aren't clear), and hepatitis is lethal if not treated with interferon within the first 6 months. It can be contracted the same way as HIV.
 
Partisan said:
Well, by your reasoning, they are already stupid or ignorant if they are already infected.....:lol:
That poses the question: Why should we allow stupid, ignorant, deadly disease infected people into this country?.....:confused:
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I would amend what I said to include "in the U.S.", a place where education and resources for protection are abundant and there is no excuse. We don't know how the infected immigrants got it. They are presumably coming to the U.S. for a better life and I see no reason to deny them that just because they have AIDS.
 
Orius said:
I would amend what I said to include "in the U.S.", a place where education and resources for protection are abundant and there is no excuse. We don't know how the infected immigrants got it. They are presumably coming to the U.S. for a better life and I see no reason to deny them that just because they have AIDS.
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Let Canada take them, we don't want 'em.....;)
 
jamesrage said:
And you want to add more people to that why?



We do not need to import anymore.



Considering the fact it is estimated that 1 in 4 Americans has or will get a STD we do not need to expose those people to imported diseases.Not everybody who got aids/HIV got it due to intravenous drug use or unprotected sex,some got it due to rape,being born with it or tainted medical supplies.
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So you're against freedom? Do you have some statistic on immigrants with HIV/AIDS infecting others or are you just afraid of shadows and like to try and scare others too?
 
NoJingoLingo said:
So you're against freedom?
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What the **** does that have to do with who we choose to let into this country? Coming to this country is a privilege not a right. If we wanted to be ass holes and say no red head people or people with big noses then we can say no people with red hair and big noses granted entry into the USA because that is our right as a country. Denying entry to those with dangerous diseases is a right that any country with a ounce of common sense should exercise.


Do you have some statistic on immigrants with HIV/AIDS infecting others
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One infected immigrant is one too many.
 
jamesrage said:
If we wanted to be ass holes and say no red head people or people with big noses then we can say no people with red hair and big noses granted entry into the USA because that is our right as a country.
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That reason makes the same amount of sense as denying those with HIV entry.

jamesrage said:
One infected immigrant is one too many.
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But you haven't really explained why.
 
Orius said:
Herpes can be a vector for HIV/AIDS (the reasons still aren't clear), and hepatitis is lethal if not treated with interferon within the first 6 months. It can be contracted the same way as HIV.
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Aren't clear?



Open sores? I'm no scientist, but isn't it obvious?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Aren't clear?

Open sores? I'm no scientist, but isn't it obvious?
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You're right about that aspect, but it also has to do with viral assimilation. Sometimes people come into contact with HIV through a small blood transmission, for example, but don't become infected because the virus doesn't proliferate. With HPV in your blood, the chances that HIV will 'take' is much higher.
 
Orius said:
You're right about that aspect, but it also has to do with viral assimilation. Sometimes people come into contact with HIV through a small blood transmission, for example, but don't become infected because the virus doesn't proliferate. With HPV in your blood, the chances that HIV will 'take' is much higher.
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Who cares how it is trasmitted?......
There is no good reason to admit people with infectious diiseases into the U.S........:roll:
 
Partisan said:
Who cares how it is trasmitted?......
There is no good reason to admit people with infectious diiseases into the U.S........:roll:
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Why?

You still haven't given a reason.

AIDS has low risk transmission status because it can only be transmitted by blood, just like hepatitis... but people with hepatitis can enter the U.S.
 
Orius said:
Why?

You still haven't given a reason.
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The reason is that in allowing diseased immigrants into this country, puts every citizen at risk, even if it is a small one.....;)
Any risk that is preventable is unacceptable, IMO.....;)

AIDS has low risk transmission status because it can only be transmitted by blood, just like hepatitis... but people with hepatitis can enter the U.S
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There are four types of hepatitis, but I assume you mean 'C'....
People with "C' should be banned as well.......;)
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Partisan said:
The reason is that in allowing diseased immigrants into this country, puts every citizen at risk, even if it is a small one.....;)
Any risk that is preventable is unacceptable, IMO.....;)
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If there is such a risk, it has always been there. People aren't forced to do blood screenings at immigration, so we are relying on their own testimony and visible appearance of vitality as indicators of health.

What if an infected person is a doctor? Are we going to reject a trained professional who could offer benefits to our society because of their minimal risk? A lawyer? An engineer? A scientist?

Immigration is one of the life bloods of the U.S. Creating barriers to it only hinders your economy.
 
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Orius said:
If there is such a risk, it has always been there. People aren't forced to do blood screenings at immigration, so we are relying on their own testimony and visible appearance of vitality as indicators of health.

When Ellis Island was open, you did have to undergo a health check, if you had, TB, conjunctivitis, etc., you were denied access & it should be that way now.....;)
What if an infected person is a doctor? Are we going to reject a trained professional who could offer benefits to our society because of their minimal risk? A lawyer? An engineer? A scientist?
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What's this 'we' crap, are you a U.S. citizen, or a Canadian?......
British Columbia is already over-run with immigrants, now you would add diseased ones as well?.....;)
If they are so valuable, Canada can take them, they need the help....
If a doctor does not have accredidation from a U.S. recognized school, their MD degree is worthless here, that's why you see Pakis driving cab in NYC....;)
Besides we already have too many lawyers here anyway....:lol:

Immigration is one of the life bloods of the U.S. Creating barriers to it only hinders your economy
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Immigration?... Fine....
Diseased immigration?.... NO THANKS!
Besides that, you are using exceptional examples, the average diseased immigrant will likely be unskilled.....;)
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jamesrage said:
What the **** does that have to do with who we choose to let into this country? Coming to this country is a privilege not a right. If we wanted to be ass holes and say no red head people or people with big noses then we can say no people with red hair and big noses granted entry into the USA because that is our right as a country. Denying entry to those with dangerous diseases is a right that any country with a ounce of common sense should exercise.

One infected immigrant is one too many.
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So then you think freedom is just something only American citizens should enjoy?

I'm sure I could find postings from you on how we have the greatest health care in the world, so why would you deny someone access to it? If someone wants to come here for medical treatment then why would you want to stop them? It's not like they will infect people they walk by on the street.

Doesn't everyone deserve democracy or is that just a hollow chant? If they want the freedoms we have they can only come here if they are the ones you like?

Go tell Magic Johnson that you want him to leave the country because he is infected.
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
So then you think freedom is just something only American citizens should enjoy?

I'm sure I could find postings from you on how we have the greatest health care in the world, so why would you deny someone access to it? If someone wants to come here for medical treatment then why would you want to stop them? It's not like they will infect people they walk by on the street.

Doesn't everyone deserve democracy or is that just a hollow chant? If they want the freedoms we have they can only come here if they are the ones you like?

Go tell Magic Johnson that you want him to leave the country because he is infected.
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They can be free in their own country, we don't owe them freedom...;)
Magic Johnson is a U.S. citizen.....Fail.......:roll:
 
Partisan said:
Who cares how it is trasmitted?......
There is no good reason to admit people with infectious diiseases into the U.S........:roll:
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By that logic, which I must assume is based on some safety factor, we should get all the people with HIV/AIDS out of the country.
 
Partisan said:
Orius said:
The reason is that in allowing diseased immigrants into this country, puts every citizen at risk, even if it is a small one.....;)
Any risk that is preventable is unacceptable, IMO.....;)

There are four types of hepatitis, but I assume you mean 'C'....
People with "C' should be banned as well.......;)
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Why not all infectious diseases? Round them all up and ship them off to an island. After all, any risk is unacceptable.
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NoJingoLingo said:
By that logic, which I must assume is based on some safety factor, we should get all the people with HIV/AIDS out of the country.
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I would not abridge their rights a s a U.S. citizen......;)
However, in certain cases, it makes sense, ala Typhoid Mary.....;)
 
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