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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    Osama declared and has been engaged in war with us for more than a decade, you're...denying this.
    When the hell did I deny this?

    You're apparently supporting your country's own self-defeating policies. Do you think allying with a country that harbors financiers of terrorist organizations whom it is trying to wipe out is smart in any way at all?
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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Do you think allying with a country that harbors financiers of terrorist organizations whom it is trying to wipe out is smart in any way at all?
    I think it smart in several ways, let me use this link to demonstate:

    New GAO Report Commends Saudi Arabia’s Efforts to Fight Terrorism and Terror Financing

    New GAO Report Commends Saudi Arabia’s Efforts to Fight Terrorism and Terror Financing
    September 30, 2009

    * “U.S. and Saudi officials also report progress on efforts to prevent financial support to extremists, citing, for example, the Saudi government’s regulations on sending charitable contributions overseas, and the arrest and prosecution of individuals providing support to terrorism.”

    * “Al Qaeda’s attacks against Saudi and U.S. citizens in Saudi Arabia in 2003 and 2004 marked a turning point in the Saudi government’s efforts to combat terrorism and terrorism financing….” and that “…Between 2003 and 2005, the Saudi government reported that it took a number of actions to combat terrorism and terrorism financing within the Kingdom, some with U.S. assistance, such as increasing the size, training, and professionalism of Saudi security forces.
    More importantly:
    “Between 2003 and 2008, U.S. and Saudi officials report the Saudi government arrested or killed thousands of terrorism suspects, including those suspected of planning attacks on Saudi oil fields and other vital installations. Further, the Saudi government has published three “most wanted” lists, and U.S. and Saudi sources report Saudi Arabia has captured or killed a number of suspects on these lists. In 2008, the Saudi government announced terrorism trials for approximately 1,000 individuals indicted on various terrorism-related charges. In July 2009, the Saudi government announced that 330 suspects had court trials, of whom seven were acquitted and the rest received jail terms ranging from a few months to 30 years.”
    Finally:
    “According to State reporting and Saudi officials, the Saudi government continues to monitor the preaching and writings of religious leaders, and to reeducate those who advocate extremist messages. Saudi officials from the Ministry of Islamic Affairs told us their monitoring has covered approximately 20,000 of Saudi Arabia’s estimated 70,000 mosques, including all of the large mosques that hold Friday prayers.”
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    It's a red flag regardless of ethnicity or skin color is this true. A one way ticket, paid for in cash..gets you scrutinized more heavily no matter what here in America, am I right...or not?
    Why would it? Cash is legal is it not. What are you trying to say?

    I think I would have stopped this man and upon finding his passport says he comes recently from Yemen on a temp visa....I'd ask him to step behind a curtain and do a body cavity search, again, regardless of skin color.
    The contention is that you would profile him... for being from yemen, legally. You would not be authorized to do that, if you could do that we would have all sorts of security folks like 'you' cavity searching legal passengers. It would not be tolerated. If you want to fix it you can be the one to check the backgrounds of the people entering the country thats where you would have to start. Not by cavity searching every negro that walks through. But you could dig through negro butts instead of being smart if you want.

    Yeah I know.

    Who cares, were the airlines here afraid..is the legit question, no one cares what your fears are.
    I didn't state a fear of mine, way to dodge your desire to institutionalize fear of the brownies. The 'airline' is not an 'entity' that has 'fear'... the 'airline' cannot be 'afraid'. Your contention is that there was a fear on the part of some 'entity' which has been infected by a political ideology you carry in your psyche and refer to as 'liberalism'.

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    The core of the issue in this discussion is that someone was afraid to stop a terrorist because they were liberal. To caricature-ize it there would have to be some poor 'liberal' security guard who had a magical sixth sense knowing that this guy had slipped through the visa process and not been caught, saw no luggage and a one way ticket and assumed he was a bomber. But then he was black so he didn't say anything. Seriously? Did I actually have to spell out how absurd that is for you?
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    OMG a bLaCk TerroRist we Cant StOp hIm!?

    You, sir, flabbergast me.

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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    Why don't you all read about the IRA, after all its financial supporters made strange bedfellows, Gaddafi and Noraid to mention two

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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Marcel
    I think it smart in several ways, let me use this link to demonstate:
    Ah, you are one of those people. Carry on.
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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I think it smart in several ways, let me use this link to demonstate:

    New GAO Report Commends Saudi Arabia’s Efforts to Fight Terrorism and Terror Financing



    More importantly:


    Finally:

    You got this report from the Saudi Embassy. I have personal experience with them in Washington, D.C. and they are very dubious.

    Gitmo Detainees went through Saudi Arabian facilities before escaping to retake the banner of Jihad for al-Qa'ida in Yemen.

    The dangerous Sunni Madrassas in Pakistan are, on average, either Jamaat-I-Islami or Salafi (Wahab).

    Taliban militants are slowly turning away from Deobandism (Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband) and into Wahabism.

    I would argue that the role that Saudi Arabia has played in the funding behind al-Qa'ida elements was directly used in 9/11 attacks. Further, it is highly likely that financiers in Saudi Arabia are still channeling money to the Taliban thru existing channels, such as the Pakistani Inter-service Intelligence.

    Saudi Arabia did not stop funneling money thru M.E.K. (now currently known as Qa'ida al-Jihad) like the U.S. did. For the US, the Soviet defeat was all that mattered;

    for religious zealots in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, the Soviet defeat was only phase one of the war for Muslim superiority.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Why would it? Cash is legal is it not. What are you trying to say?
    I'll repeat it as you're struggling. A one way ticket ALONE forget cash or no luggage...in this country, gets you further scrutinized by airline security. It's a fact.

    The contention is that you would profile him... for being from yemen, legally. You would not be authorized to do that, if you could do that we would have all sorts of security folks like 'you' cavity searching legal passengers.
    He was traveling FROM Yemen on a temp US visa on a one way ticket he paid for in cash carrying no luggage. Yes, my contention is not only do I profile and further search this young man regardless of race or religion, I think it remiss we didn't.

    It would not be tolerated.
    Not by those who misunderstand reality and consider denial a river in Egypt.

    Not by cavity searching every negro that walks through
    Was never suggested, you're becoming emotional now. Hysterical. Please calm down.

    Yeah I know.
    Actually, the problem here is what you don't know.

    The core of the issue in this discussion is that someone was afraid to stop a terrorist because they were liberal.
    Not only to you make the colossal error I care about skin color or ethnicity upon closer scrutiny on passengers, you expand the error by thinking this someone that's afraid has a political leaning that makes a difference. Some Conservatives would be afraid as well, what does the political affiliation matter. Your argument I find so odd.

    Did I actually have to spell out how absurd that is for you?
    You'll first have to spell out how this Cat was permitted...liberal or conservative at the gate providing security, the skin of this passenger black, brown, red, or white. A 23 year old paying cash traveling recvently from Yemen, no luggage, one way ticket...on this flight. This was a colossal error and even our government realizes it, Obama running our after Janet Napalotano admitting mistakes were made. Do I have to spell this out for you, your colossal error here needs a retraction on your part.

    You, sir, flabbergast me.
    Just destroying your utter why would that flabbergast anyone?
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    Re: Different Taliban claim responsibility

    You're hyper-selective, and fantastic at dodging the core of the argument on silly points as you try to shoot me down. Your contention is that people are afraid to enforce security because they are enculturated too politically correct.

    Who cares, were the airlines here afraid...is the legit question.
    This is absurd to state that any organization cannot enforce a standard operating procedure our of fear of being politically incorrect. It doesn't make sense. Thats my point. Get it.

    A one way ticket ALONE forget cash or no luggage...in this country, gets you further scrutinized by airline security. It's a fact.
    Trust me, I'm not struggling, Im trying to understand where you're going with it, don't let your vanity mistake that for a shortcoming.

    Not by those who misunderstand reality and consider denial a river in Egypt.
    Your personal political reality is of no interest to most of the planet, and probably is congruent enough with reality itself to make your opinion applicable to real life situations. . Dont take it as an insult thats merely the state of humanity. This comment was sad to read coming from an 'educator'.

    He was traveling FROM Yemen on a temp US visa on a one way ticket he paid for in cash carrying no luggage. Yes, my contention is not only do I profile and further search this young man regardless of race or religion, I think it remiss we didn't.
    If people began profiling and treating anyone like a terrorist on their suspicions there would be an uproar. The people who screen at airports are not trained to do that. Also once you start building a profiling protocol of 'men with no luggage with temp visas one way from yemen' the terrorists would start carrying luggage. I don't see how that is a major indicator of a terrorist action (it isn't) and I'm not sure why you are obsessed with that point.

    A 23 year old paying cash traveling recvently from Yemen, no luggage, one way ticket...on this flight. This was a colossal error and even our government realizes it, Obama running our after Janet Napalotano admitting mistakes were made. Do I have to spell this out for you, your colossal error here needs a retraction on your part.
    How was it a colossal error by the security personnel at the airport or airline? Once again, they don't profile people, its not their responsibility. So the idea that they were afraid to stop someone is absurd.

    State Department revokes attempted bomber's visa | Reuters

    See above. It was their fault - and they are the ones responsible for not handing out visas to terrorists and theres where the problem is, not as some junction of political correctness by any person on any end of the political spectrum.

    Dont think your destroying anyones bull**** because I obliterated your sorry crap with my first post and I even outlined the core of our argument that you chose not to respond to.

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