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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Remember folks, the Senate just passed more Government in your life, more Government healthcare coming. Don't be fooled, they want everyone on a Medicare type single payer system. This is our future unless we stop it.
    As usual, your comment is a partisan talking point that is barely related to the story. For you, it's all about the headline and adding a negative partisan spin. The complexities of issue be damned. I guess if you had read past the first few paragraphs, you'd better understand the factors that lead to this decision.

    The facility claims it can't cover its costs with some medicare patients--most likely the long-term care of Alzheimer's and dementia patients. The Mayo Clinic is a non-profit organization, so their business model is different than a privately run medical corp. Also, a big part of the Mayo Clinic's mission is medical research and innovative procedures.

    There is no shortage of good doctors and facilities in Phoenix that will treat medicare patients. Let's hope they all get good counseling and make informed end-of-life decisions.

    The were a number of points in the article you chose to ignore:

    Mayo’s Medicare losses in Arizona may be worse than typical for doctors across the U.S., Heim said. Physician costs vary depending on business expenses such as office rent and payroll. “It is very common that we hear that Medicare is below costs or barely covering costs,” Heim said.

    Mayo will continue to accept Medicare as payment for laboratory services and specialist care such as cardiology and neurology, Yardley said.
    Robert Berenson, a fellow at the Urban Institute’s Health Policy Center in Washington, D.C., said physicians’ claims of inadequate reimbursement are overstated. Rather, the program faces a lack of medical providers because not enough new doctors are becoming family doctors, internists and pediatricians who oversee patients’ primary care.

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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    As usual, your comment is a partisan talking point that is barely related to the story. For you, it's all about the headline and adding a negative partisan spin. The complexities of issue be damned. I guess if you had read past the first few paragraphs, you'd better understand the factors that lead to this decision.

    The facility claims it can't cover its costs with some medicare patients--most likely the long-term care of Alzheimer's and dementia patients. The Mayo Clinic is a non-profit organization, so their business model is different than a privately run medical corp. Also, a big part of the Mayo Clinic's mission is medical research and innovative procedures.

    There is no shortage of good doctors and facilities in Phoenix that will treat medicare patients. Let's hope they all get good counseling and make informed end-of-life decisions.
    The were a number of points in the article you chose to ignore:



    So you take the word of a huge Obama supporter in Robert Berenson, and dismiss anything to the contrary....Typical. BTW, if interested, here are Berenson's campaign donations.


    Robert Berenson - $16,800 in Political Contributions for 2008


    Sorry Hazlnut, FAIL!


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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you take the word of a huge Obama supporter in Robert Berenson, and dismiss anything to the contrary....Typical. BTW, if interested, here are Berenson's campaign donations.


    Robert Berenson - $16,800 in Political Contributions for 2008


    Sorry Hazlnut, FAIL!


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    Can you state how Berenson is wrong instead of drawing imaginary conspiracy theory lines? That would be great. Thanks.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you state how Berenson is wrong instead of drawing imaginary conspiracy theory lines? That would be great. Thanks.

    I didn't say he was necessarily wrong, I would confess that I am not privy to all the data that he may have, and I might add neither are you, or hazlnut. But, to take his conclusion at face value considering that he is such a big supporter of Obama and his plans, I think would be foolish.


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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you take the word of a huge Obama supporter in Robert Berenson, and dismiss anything to the contrary....
    J-mac:

    I read the entire article and commented on several different aspects of the issue.

    You ignored the comments and made an feeble Ad Hominem attack-- rejecting Berenson's statement on the basis of some irrelevant fact.

    I understand the complexities of the Medicare issue make it difficult to come up with an articulate point of view--it requires a little knowledge about the issue and some thought.

    Why not give it the ol' college try, eh? Read. Think.

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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I didn't say he was necessarily wrong
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    It is great to know you had no intention of ever addressing what Berenson actually said and skipped straight to the character assassination.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I didn't say he was necessarily wrong, I would confess that I am not privy to all the data that he may have, and I might add neither are you, or hazlnut. But, to take his conclusion at face value considering that he is such a big supporter of Obama and his plans, I think would be foolish.


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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    With the announcements in the reduction of medicare payments coming under Obama's I Don't Care About Your Health Plans, the House and Senate have become the Death panel they claim does not exist.

    But because they a branches of the new corrupt to the max Obama disciple controlled Government and technically not a panel, they can continue to claim there is no such thing as a death panel.

    If you go out and get some illness that the Obama plan to have die plan won't cover it's your own damn fault.

    More and more of this is going to be happening and when doctors more out of fields like soo many have already done with O.B.G.Y.N. rationing becaomes a bigger problem.

    You have to be a really stupid idiot to think for one minute the plans under consideration are going to do anything but make the best health care system comparable to Canada and the U.K. who both have systems that are almost as bad as Kenya or some other 3rd world garbage pit.
    You're falling for all the propaganda. Please read from someone who's experienced both Canadian and US health care.

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    I'm both a health-care-card-carrying Canadian resident and an uninsured American citizen who regularly sees doctors on both sides of the border. As such, I'm in a unique position to address the pros and cons of both systems first-hand. If we're going to have this conversation, it would be great if we could start out (for once) with actual facts, instead of ideological posturing, wishful thinking, hearsay, and random guessing about how things get done up here.

    To that end, here's the first of a two-part series aimed at busting the common myths Americans routinely tell each other about Canadian health care. When the right-wing hysterics drag out these hoary old bogeymen, this time, we need to be armed and ready to blast them into straw. Because, mostly, straw is all they're made of.


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    Mythbusting Canadian Health Care, Part II: Debunking the Free Marketeers | OurFuture

    Government-run health care is inherently less efficient -- because governments themselves are inherently less efficient.
    If anything could finally put the lie to this old conservative canard, the disaster that is our health care system is Exhibit A.

    America spends about 15% of its GDP on health care. Most other industrialized countries (all of whom have some form of universal care) spend about 11-12%. According to the WHO, Canada spends a bit over 9% -- and most of the problems within their system come out of the fact that it's chronically underfunded compared to the international average.

    Any system that has people spending more and getting less is, by definition, not efficient. And these efficiency leaks are, almost entirely, due to private greed.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    I was born and raised in the UK where a National Health Service system is in operation.

    This NHS is paid for by the UK Taxpayers through being taxed on anything the UK Government can think of to Tax.

    The standard of care is in decline within the NHS, they have (in spite of denials) mixed wards, patients being left in passage ways often without seeing a Dr. for up to 17 hours.

    Any Government run system or business will eventually go bankrupt.
    WHY?
    Well you may ask, the answer is quite simple, all Countries are governed by people who should either be in Prison or in Mental institutions.

    Government does not recognise that wealth has to be earned prior to being spent.

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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Most of these comments are hilarious, full of denial. Not once is the private insurance and medical industry blamed for anything.. all blame is put on government and the idea of UHC.. pathetic.
    Then maybe private insurance and the medical industry should just go away. That way you won't have anything to bitch about. We can just take care of our friends and family, and people like you can go ask the government for help. How does that sound?

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