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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I live in Phoenix, and I am familar with the Mayo Clinic in question. This particular clinic is like a family practice clinic where patients can go see a primary care physical for common illnesses. In reading the tread this is the only Mayo clinic that has taken this measure. There is another clinic in Scottsdale that is like a diagnositic center, and they did not change there practice. Medicare is still accepted at this and other Mayo Clinics.

    Like anything in life, if you want something expensive, you should have the means to pay for it.

    Medicare should not get stuck with paying for expensive treatment for patients, if a patient can recieve the same treatment for less at a non-Mayo clinic. On the same note, Mayo should not have to lower its prices to accomodate Medicare patients.
    So we should expect more inferior healthcare under the new government plan

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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So explain how a medical facility can run if medicare is paying less then the care cost?
    The medical facility builds those losses into what it charges insurance companies. That is why this blaming of the insurance companies for raisinf costs is a blatant lie trumped up by those who want this single payer sustem.

    BTW, who is really the " insurance company" for most people in America. Answer, their employer. Many big companies now just use insurance companies to process the paperwork. The companies decide stuff like caps and co-pays.

    This whole process has been a joke on the majority of Americans who do not really know how things work and live on sound bites from people with an agenda.

    Here is a quote that works for the American public today:

    " People get the government they deserve".

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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Most of these comments are hilarious, full of denial. Not once is the private insurance and medical industry blamed for anything.. all blame is put on government and the idea of UHC.. pathetic.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Most of these comments are hilarious, full of denial. Not once is the private insurance and medical industry blamed for anything.. all blame is put on government and the idea of UHC.. pathetic.
    You have anything substantive to add?
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Ironically, I just off the phone with a neighbor on vacation near Arizona and they found it necessary to go to an "Urgent Care" center and the up-front cost was $250 to see a Physician's Assistant and NO Medicare. Cash on the barrel head.

    More and more of these "Urgent Care" centers are popping up and at least the one close to me they are the result of a collaboration of various physicians who wanted out of the strait jacket of conventional medicine. To my knowledge they do accept Medicare but don't know that for an absolute fact.

    The truth is that we have a total mess of medical care in the U.S. today. I've given this example before but let me do it here as well. In 1968 I had a small growth taken off my lip for $29 cash up front. About five years ago the exact same procedure cost about $6,000 after all the costs were added up.

    I pity the poor younger people who are going to be saddled with the result of whatever comes from medical care reform. I'll be dead and long forgotten and the younger people will be in debt up to their eyeballs paying for this craziness. A birth that used to cost $300 now costs well over $12,000 and many are those born to illegal immigrants almost entirely paid by American citizen taxpayers. I used to be able to go to see my doctor for $10 cash including any minor in-office surgery. When I was very young, it cost $2 for an office visit for doctor's home visitation. A tooth was pulled for $2 and a filling for a cavity was 50 cents. Sometimes the fees were just waived if the problem wasn't deemed serious.

    We are so screwed it will prove to be the ruination of this nation. Even Obama said that this would bankrupt the nation if not fixed although he had in mind a Soviet style government mandated program. While market based solutions will work such as laser eye surgery which is not covered and costs have come down, anything the government touches turns to that brown stuff.

    The crazy thing about all this discussion about medical care reform is that it could have sailed right through Congress and onto the President's desk if only two provisions were put into any bill. Those stipulations would have been interstate competition of insurance companies which are exempt from the normal anti-trust provisions and the second was tort reform. But they will never happen because the insurance companies buy off Congress which are largely composed of lawyers. The US today is an oligarchy of special interests and legal strait jackets. That is why it will inevitably self-destruct.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You have anything substantive to add?
    Do you? Do you deny my comment that the problem lies with the insurance industry and the medical industry? That they are driving up the cost of healthcare in the US?

    http://www.oecd.org/document/11/0,33...1_1,00.html#B5

    over 7000 dollars for every man, woman and child now per year..almost double that of the nearest country who btw, provides healthcare for all.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Do you? Do you deny my comment that the problem lies with the insurance industry and the medical industry? That they are driving up the cost of healthcare in the US?

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    over 7000 dollars for every man, woman and child now per year..almost double that of the nearest country who btw, provides healthcare for all.
    Yes, and there are quite a few government causes for these rises, which you ignore because to you, government is supposed to "manage" people's lives, because people are too stupid to exist without the benevolent administration of Government in their lives.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The medical facility builds those losses into what it charges insurance companies. That is why this blaming of the insurance companies for raisinf costs is a blatant lie trumped up by those who want this single payer sustem.

    BTW, who is really the " insurance company" for most people in America. Answer, their employer. Many big companies now just use insurance companies to process the paperwork. The companies decide stuff like caps and co-pays.

    This whole process has been a joke on the majority of Americans who do not really know how things work and live on sound bites from people with an agenda.

    Here is a quote that works for the American public today:

    " People get the government they deserve".
    No prices are negotiated. Medicare pays below what allows a medical facility costs are. Insurance companies allow for a profit for medical facilities.


    Medical facilities inflate prices to allow negotiating. This does not happen with medicare the government tells facilities what they will get, no negotiations. The cost of the care is not the governments problem and the government does not care.

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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes, and there are quite a few government causes for these rises, which you ignore because to you, government is supposed to "manage" people's lives, because people are too stupid to exist without the benevolent administration of Government in their lives.
    Oh I dont deny that there are government causes in the US, but a huge majority of the causes are due to the greed of the private sector, who btw often lobbies the government to do those "causes" because it will profit the private sector.

    The American people are not a factor in the healthcare debate.. greed and profit and power are all that matters.
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    Re: Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Oh I dont deny that there are government causes in the US, but a huge majority of the causes are due to the greed of the private sector, who btw often lobbies the government to do those "causes" because it will profit the private sector.

    The American people are not a factor in the healthcare debate.. greed and profit and power are all that matters.

    Just looked up your location....Looks beautiful! Government causes for health care problems are not limited to the US.


    This paper describes the main healthcare rationing policies implemented in Spain over the last 2 decades, and analyses the consequences of these policies on the healthcare system, patients, healthcare practitioners, the pharmaceutical industry and policymakers. The primary explicit healthcare rationing policies utilised in Spain include a catalogue that defines the healthcare rights of citizens. However, the existing system may lead to inequity between regions, and is not structured to direct resources towards the most cost-effective options. Health technology assessment requires further work before it can be utilised widely for the development of rationing strategies. Selective reimbursement of drugs and drug co-payments provide only short-term results and appear to have little long-term impact on expenditure. Implicit rationing instruments, especially waiting lists, have had a significant effect on healthcare quality and the welfare of citizens, and have contributed to keeping the Spanish healthcare budget under control. Newer regulations should integrate some form of economic evaluation within the policy-making processes associated with healthcare. Further research is needed to identify those efficient and equitable rationing instruments that are most likely to improve health interventions for an aging society that is increasingly demanding of health services.


    Healthcare rationing in Spain : Framework, descriptive analysis and consequences

    So according to analysis of your own country's system, a model (the European one) of healthcare redistribution, it states plainly that over the past two decades that this has been in place, it has been a huge failure. Yet you criticize the US for its system? Now that takes some chutzpah.


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