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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    it turns out the jingle bell jihadist was indeed in contact with awlaki, the same who hyped up the fort hood hitman

    U.S. Probes Cleric's Tie to Jetliner Bomb Plot - WSJ.com

    explains why our perplexed prez had to do a retake

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Why indulge in mutually exclusive dichotomies, especially considering all that accomplishes is to create an unecessary framing device?
    because holder has to decide whether to run him thru civilian court or military tribunal

    the framing device is which room to use

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    because holder has to decide whether to run him thru civilian court or military tribunal

    the framing device is which room to use

    hello
    and that has what to do with whether or not to initiate a targeted military strike?

    and hello to you, young fellow.
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    well, prudent policy usually does not contemplate military strikes against criminal targets, gramps

    military strikes are more commonly associated with acts of war

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    "Because the future does not belong to those who gather armies on a field of battle or bury missiles in the ground. . ." --Obama

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Slow up there, Zyph.

    According to someone who was there, candidate Bush was saying "IRAQ!" two years before 9/11.



    Oh, but there's more...

    Again, according to someone who was there, President Bush was saying "IRAQ!" at his very first security meeting, well before 9/11.



    So, y'know, I'm just sayin'...
    Nicely done.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Perhaps GWB should have taken even more time than he did before deciding to attack IRAQ. After all, most of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. But I guess we can't attack SA, where the Bush clan has friends.....
    The Sauds began developing Sunni radicalism during the Khomeini days. They did this to counter the Shia fanaticism that was being groomed by Khomeini and then they did it to combat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Since Afghanistan, Sunni fanaticism and extremism have killed Americans all over.

    The Sauds continue to finance and build madrasas across the globe. In fact the House of Saud have built 1500 mosques, 202 colleges, 2000 Muslim schools over the decades outside of non-Islamic countries. Wahabbi madrassas in Pakistan grew from 2861 in 1988 to 6761 in 2000.

    On top of this Saud activity abroad to encourage Islamic terrorism and fanatcism, the U.S. and others have received oil from them since the 1930s.


    So.....what am I trying to say here? Given the long span of U.S. Presidents that this has occurred and the clear knowledge so many of them had about this escallating religious problem.....contributing it all to the Bush clan is a very stupid thing to do. In fact, some may even call it Michael Moore'ish.

    Unless my information is wrong and we only recieved oil from the Sauds between Bush's election and Obama's? I guess what saved the Sauds in the past and now is their charm, but under Bush it was his personal friendship? Or do the other president's even know where our oil comes form? It's truly a mystery.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot - Times Online

    Here we go again, Obama has to gather in all the intelligence then of course he will need the advice of Carter & Kerry, by the time he actually gets around to doing something it will probably be time to install his successor.
    So we are going to help Yemen combat the terrorists in their country?

    I found this bit from the article interesting:
    Two former inmates of the Guantánamo Bay detainee camp who were returned to Yemen via Saudi Arabia in 2007 are thought to have assumed the leadership of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the group that claimed responsibility for the attempted airline bombing.

    Muhammad al-Awfi and Said Ali al-Shihri are believed to have been the targets of a pair of airstrikes on suspected terrorist training camps in the east of the country before Christmas that the Yemeni Government says killed more than 60 militants.
    Sounds like the various intelligence groups still can't work together seamlessly.
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    This attempt demands a public show of discipline towards the offenders and to whoever else who happens to be "coincidentally" near them when it happens. Quiet displays of retribution do nothing to dissuade future possibilities.

    Clinton taught us that his quiet comfortable "kill nobody" tactics encourage their conviction and sense of accomplishment.

    Bush taught us that improper planning is deadly to our troops.

    Obama has the benefit of learning from both. But is this a military issue or is it not? Because if it is (and no doubt there are plenty of flip floppers out there), then all of it is.
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This attempt demands a public show of discipline towards the offenders and to whoever else who happens to be "coincidentally" near them when it happens. Quiet displays of retribution do nothing to dissuade future possibilities.

    Clinton taught us that his quiet comfortable "kill nobody" tactics encourage their conviction and sense of accomplishment.

    Bush taught us that improper planning is deadly to our troops.

    Obama has the benefit of learning from both. But is this a military issue or is it not?
    This specific instance, not really military. However, terrorism may well be both and not just one or the other. It really depends on any specific circumstance.

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