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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    What are you talking about, statements were issued immediately--Friday, Saturday, Sunday. He took 2 days to wait for the initial investigation to get underway before giving a press conference.

    This was "isolated" in the sense that it wasn't part of a bigger coordinated attack on that same day.
    Thanks Hazlnut, I still don't understand "the Obama waited to long to respond argument." I could of sworn he spoke on it shortly afterword?

    Tongue in cheek, "Was Fox Network at fault for not telling the right that Obama addressed this immediately?"

    Here is who is at fault during this situation:

    1). The intel community, state dept, DHS, or whoever was supposed to but this twit on a list that said he should not be on a plane. Also, for not sharing the info.

    2). Airport security in Nigeria and Amsterdam.

    3). Janet for making stupid remarks.

    4). DHS for not implementing the technology for stopping this crap.

    5). Whining Americans who cry that their rights are being violated when they are searched at the airport. (IMHO - you give up your rights to unlawful search when you walk up to an airport security gate.)

    At no time was Obama at fault in this situation. No matter what he does, the right is going to find fault.

    Who here is opposed to putting a bomb up the rear of the cleric who advised the Ft. Hood Terrorist or the Underwear Bomber? I say bomb the crap out of any person, in any terroritory that attacks our nation. Yeah, we should even bomb them in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc.
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    sure, he went from "isolated extremist" to "military operations" in 48 typically twisted-up hours

    obama's just like that, he throws EVERYONE ELSE under whatever limo or golf cart is closest

    it's always everyone but barry

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Here we go again, Obama has to gather in all the intelligence then of course he will need the advice of Carter & Kerry, by the time he actually gets around to doing something it will probably be time to install his successor.
    How do you get any of that out of the story?

    The Pentagon is drawing up urgent plans for increased military co-operation with Yemen, including possible retaliatory strikes against al-Qaeda targets, according to US officials engaged in a high-stakes bid to neutralise Islamist militants without enraging the Arab world.
    Sounds like a reasonable and pragmatic approach.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Imagine that. We now have a CIC that actually informs himself of all the options and ramifications of an air strike before committing. I knew he was too smart!
    Did it escape you how long Bush waited before attacking Afganistan after the trade center bombings?
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    What are you talking about, statements were issued immediately--Friday, Saturday, Sunday. He took 2 days to wait for the initial investigation to get underway before giving a press conference.

    This was "isolated" in the sense that it wasn't part of a bigger coordinated attack on that same day.
    Not by Obama hes was playing Golf

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Did it escape you how long Bush waited before attacking Afganistan after the trade center bombings?
    He followed the law and got authority from congress

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    I would say Obama making heads roll will once again bring questions if Obama has a vetting process or if his appointees are more about politics.


    Heads set to roll as Obama goes on the attack after security failures allowed Christmas Day bomber on plane | Mail Online


    But speculation was rife that Blair or Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano could be forced to resign after Mr Obama said on Tuesday there had been a systemic failure by the country's security agencies to prevent the botched Christmas Day attack.

    Napolitano has been lambasted by Republican critics, and in the media, for initially saying the air security system worked. She quickly back-pedalled, claiming she had meant the system of beefing up measures worked after the incident had occurred.

    White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Napolitano had the president's support, and Obama referred to her in his public comments on Tuesday, supporting her statement that correct actions were taken after the attempted attack.

    But Kurt Volker, a former CIA analyst and until recently U.S. ambassador to Nato, said Blair and Napolitano were facing the traditional Washington blame game.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Where to even begin with this putrid pile of words...

    First, Bush waited 2 years after 9/11 before doing anything with Iraq so its not like he woke up the night after and said "IRAQ!"
    Slow up there, Zyph.

    According to someone who was there, candidate Bush was saying "IRAQ!" two years before 9/11.

    Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer

    Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

    "He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade... if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency." Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. "Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker."

    In 1999, Herskowitz struck a deal with the campaign of George W. Bush about a ghost-written autobiography, which was ultimately titled A Charge to Keep : My Journey to the White House... Herskowitz was given unimpeded access to Bush, and the two met approximately 20 times so Bush could share his thoughts. Herskowitz began working on the book in May, 1999, and says that within two months he had completed and submitted some 10 chapters, with a remaining 4-6 chapters still on his computer. Herskowitz was replaced as Bush's ghostwriter after Bush's handlers concluded that the candidate's views and life experiences were not being cast in a sufficiently positive light.

    According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush's beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House - ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. "Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade."

    Herskowitz's revelations are not the sole indicator of Bush's pre-election thinking on Iraq. In December 1999, some six months after his talks with Herskowitz, Bush surprised veteran political chroniclers, including the Boston Globe 's David Nyhan, with his blunt pronouncements about Saddam at a six-way New Hampshire primary event that got little notice: "It was a gaffe-free evening for the rookie front-runner, till he was asked about Saddam's weapons stash," wrote Nyhan. 'I'd take 'em out,' [Bush] grinned cavalierly, 'take out the weapons of mass destruction. I'm surprised he's still there," said Bush.
    Oh, but there's more...

    Again, according to someone who was there, President Bush was saying "IRAQ!" at his very first security meeting, well before 9/11.

    Bush Sought ‘Way’ To Invade Iraq?
    O'Neill Tells '60 Minutes' Iraq Was 'Topic A' 8 Months Before 9-11


    Entitled "The Price of Loyalty," the book by a former Wall Street Journal reporter draws on interviews with high-level officials who gave the author their personal accounts of meetings with the president, their notes and documents.

    But the main source of the book was Paul O'Neill. O'Neill readily agreed to tell his story to the book's author Ron Suskind – and he adds that he's taking no money for his part in the book.

    Suskind says he interviewed hundreds of people for the book – including several cabinet members.

    O'Neill is the only one who spoke on the record, but Suskind says that someone high up in the administration – Donald Rumsfeld - warned O’Neill not to do this book.

    Not only did O'Neill give Suskind his time, he gave him 19,000 internal documents.

    “Everything's there: Memoranda to the President, handwritten "thank you" notes, 100-page documents. Stuff that's sensitive,” says Suskind, adding that in some cases, it included transcripts of private, high-level National Security Council meetings. “You don’t get higher than that.”

    And what happened at President Bush's very first National Security Council meeting is one of O'Neill's most startling revelations.

    “From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

    “From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.”


    As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as "Why Saddam?" and "Why now?" were never asked.

    "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this,’" says O’Neill. “For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap.”

    And that came up at this first meeting, says O’Neill, who adds that the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later.

    He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. “There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, ‘Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,’" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001.
    So, y'know, I'm just sayin'...

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    bush is SO yesterday

    well, so is this little story i'm about to tell

    but at least i only go back four days, not years

    day one: everything went like "clockwork"

    day two: "isolated extremist," "crime suspect," no blankets or bathrooms the last hour, gonna do a "review"

    day three: "catastrophic breach," "intolerable," "systemic failure"

    day four: bomb em

    LOL!

    more clueless leadership could not be

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post

    Is it a criminal matter, or is it war?
    It has elements of both.

    Why indulge in mutually exclusive dichotomies, especially considering all that accomplishes is to create an unecessary framing device?
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