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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Your comparison is silly to say the very least. I know liberals love to trot out McCVeigh and Christians anytime a discussion on radical Islam happens, but the level and scale of violence on the part of Muslims bears no relation to that of Christians. Diverting attention away from Muslims to Christians is silly and unreasonable. If you want to go tit for tat, you list violence committed in the name of Christianity in recent decades and I list that committed by Muslims, then I will simply blow you out of the water ten times over. It's not even comparable. No where even remotely close.
    So what if it is true that "violence committed in the name of Christianity in recent decades " is less than "that committed by Muslims"? Does that mean that Islam is a more violent religion than Christianity? If it is so, you should stop eating ice-cream, because it makes you want to kill people.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Who's hitting the streets and burning flags, Christians or Muslims?
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    What justification is required for a democratic republic to intervene and removed a gangster strongman from a position of supreme leadership of a country with significant military potential?

    Answer the question.
    Because if removing "a gangster strongman from a position of supreme leadership of a country with significant military potential" is all the justification you need to invade a country, then probably half the countries in the world (but particularly the resource rich ones) are vulnerable to invasions by superpowers like the US or China. What if China decides to invade Venezuela because she "thinks" that Chavez "a gangster strongman from a position of supreme leadership of a country with significant military potential"?

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Who's hitting the streets and burning flags, Christians or Muslims?
    And your point is......

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    And your point is......
    That equating Christian violence to Muslim violence is ridicules.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That equating Christian violence to Muslim violence is ridicules.
    As much as the logical fallacy seemingly perpetuated by the anti-Muslims comments here so far (American's being case in point).
    Last edited by nonpareil; 01-05-10 at 10:22 AM.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Next time just refrain from such asinine comments that have nothing at all to do with this forum and are the product of your paranoid obsessions about some modeleone on another site. Save everybody the exercise in idiocy.
    Sorry, asinine comments a forum given right upon which you excel at, you ain't got that market cornered, I'm permitted a few. We move on, Scummy.
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Moving on into the larger picture from the thread topic, Obama is looking to this solution of military interference into Yemen...that I support by the way and has Congressional approval. But that locks him in does it not? Can he wage war with the military and trial those accused after captured abroad in the US civilian courts? Can he expand into Yemen after Hellfire missile parties in Pakistan while surging in Afghanistan and still not be calling this a war on terror? How do you reconcile having it both ways?

    Firstly, do we afford prisoners in any war who are captured abroad access to our courts? Yes..or no?

    Secondly, look to Afghanistan where Obama has himself quite a thriving prison, the Bagram prison growing as we speak, ongoing operations from Obama's 50,000 man surge surely to swell the ranks, what are we doing with those men? Why aren't Afghans permitted access to our courts when captured abroad by our military. And are all of these men Afghans or do they come from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Indonesia, or in this latest bombing in Afghanistan against the CIA, a Jordanian.

    Let's take this Jordanian.....contemplate his equipment failing much like Alhaji's on that airliner? What is reported thus far is that this man was a double agent. A doctor fro Jordan who had gained the trust of American CIA agents, was permitted access to the compound.

    Imagine now in US hands.....an agent with who knows how much information that would perhaps save American soldier's lives during this Obama/US surge. do we transport him to a US courtroom and give him a lawyer? Pretend he has Constitutional rights, bring him to NY?

    Or...do we take him to Bagram for intial interrogation.....then transport his happy self to Gitmo...specific behavior modifications will be applied and we find out what the good doctor knows?

    Is this in fact a war or a crime fighting endeavor? Or both?
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    As much as the logical fallacy seemingly perpetuated by the anti-Muslims comments here so far (American's being case in point).
    That is because the vast majority of attacks are perpetrated by Muslims.

    No fallacy in that.

    I think Americans are more likely to not be PC and tell the truth of the situation.

    Your reasoning is flawed and no excuse for trying to equate Christians with terrorist attacks.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I'm simply proving it wrong.
    I really don't see how.


    Long as the cockroach isn't armed, you release him. And even if held, you are for forwarding Constitutional rights even to those captured abroad.
    I'm for rule of law. Our actions are subject to rule of law and not just rights.


    1) "some" rule of law or written rule of law?
    2)Obama continues to imprison men abroad even expanding the Bagram prison, is he suddenly able to know who they are.
    3)There is no history of our Constitutional rights being afforded enemy combatants captured abroad. Ever. During WW2, we brought tens of thousands of prisoners from all enemy nations here to the continental US. Never were they afforded our laws.
    There's no history of a never ending war either. We're not at war with any country at the moment. Instead, we're fighting individuals, groups, and not nations. Not something that best fits traditional warfare. And something open to the possibility of error to an even greater degree than wars of the past have presented.



    For example?
    My position on the surge in Afghanistan for one. Nor do I wish to have terrorist running all over my home or nation as you suggest (a foolish suggestion btw). Nor have I ever suggested anywhere that guilty people be released. And you can't call someone guilty if you can't prove their guilt.

    So, yes, you have a few things wrong, a few inaccurate assumptions on your part.

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